Gary Heseltine talks about UFOs (again). After starting an online magazine about UFOs 3 years ago, Gary started annual conferences to promote the subject. The latest conference held in September 2015 hosted some of the worlds top UFO researchers. Notably Stanton Friedman (Canada) and A.J. Gavaerd (Brazil). The attitude towards the subject is different in Brasil, with government organisations regularly sharing useful information with UFO enthusiasts. This is in stark contrast to the UK, whose government released "secret" files over a 4 year period, which turned out to be only useful for wiping your bottom on. They were already available under FOI request and nothing "secret" was ever released. The public were treated like idiots. Richard and Gary also discuss a recent "hit piece" documentary about UFOs produced for Channel 4.