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#1426 | Posted: 23 Sep 2010 20:49
hmmm... they're showing the comments on the earthquake story again.
loasy rotten freedom of speach allowing spoilsports!
this is the second time they've let me down.
i want a scandal!
#1427 | Posted: 23 Sep 2010 20:54 | Edited by: Starseed
i want a scandal!

Look up your new green taxes. Thats the biggest scandal ever perpetrated.

22 Billion a year and up, and further huge petrol price increases... And that`s the tip of the ICEBERG (get it) Ice? LOL ppffftt
#1428 | Posted: 23 Sep 2010 22:13
Certalnly not causlng bad vlbes & trylng to undermlne others.

So what else are YOU gettlng up to?
#1429 | Posted: 23 Sep 2010 22:49
September 23, 2010 Coast Insider Audio

Preparedness & Evolution:

Board certified in disaster medicine and adviser for FEMA's NW region, Geoffrey Simmons discussed preparedness as well as his work with Darwin, Creation and the evolution of man. Lamenting that most people are woefully unprepared for disasters, he cited studies which say that "only about 25 percent of people have significant preparedness." The reasons for this stunningly low statistic, Simmons said, include a dismissive attitude about the possibility of a disaster, procrastination, and a lack of funding or proper education about the subject. Hoping to rectify that final reason, Simmons shared a litany of "do's and don'ts" to help people safely survive a disaster.

Among the "do's" were to have a preparedness kit which includes food and water, a flashlight, and gloves. He also suggested that families should have a post-disaster meeting place, an out of town contact to serve as a communication conduit, and that each family member should have designated roles, such as precuring important paperwork and pets. Many of the "don'ts" listed by Simmons were predicated on self-reliance and acceptance that first responders, stores, and credit/debit cards simply will not be fuctioning in the event of a disaster. While water is essential to survival in a disaster, it was also a key aspect in two of Simmons' "don'ts." He explained that it is imperative that you do not open canned goods that were submerged in flood water, since they could be contaminated. Additionally, he advised that people should not attempt to dive down roads that appear to only be mildly flooded, as the water s can obscure the true damage the pathway has sustained.

In discussing his research into evolution, Simmons, who is a proponent for creationism, stressed that his opinion is less a theological one and more based on what he sees as "common sense." As such, he opined that nature's complexity does not support the "trial and error" aspect behind the theory of evolution. For example, he claimed that the structure and function of a cell is "more complicated than the city of New York," which was obviously created by intelligent design. Simmons suggested that the solution to the origin debate may merely be a matter of time. To that end, he pointed out that a contemporary of Darwin once listed 200 human attributes that were believed to be non-essential and, thus, bolstered the argument for evolution. However, Simmons said, "it turns out, of the 200, that's been pared down, through the years, to about six." Taking this concept to its logical conclusion, he surmised that as ou r understanding of nature reveals further complexities, "it will be science that disproves itself."

Titanic Revelations:

In the first hour, author David Brown discussed the recent news which allegedly shed new light on the sinking of the Titanic. He was dismissive of the idea that the story was particularly revelatory, since the officer in question admitted that "they had to apply whitewash" in his own autobiography. Brown theorized that the surviving officers of the Titanic were circumspect about the nature of the disaster in order to protect their future careers. "I don't want to even hint at some dark conspiracy," he said, "but, in fact, I think there was somewhat of a cover-up." He said that "there is no question it was an accident, but the evidence I see is that the ship was deliberately turned into the iceberg, but not intentionally turned into the iceberg." Extrapolating on that theory, Brown proposed that the crew was likely trying to avoid ice and accidentally steered the ship into further danger and, ultimately, infamy.

Thursday Bookworm:

While it has become a ubiquitous presence in nearly every American home, the origins of the television remain shrouded in relative historic obscurity. However, Paul Schatzkin's The Boy Who Invented Television details the remarkable story of Philo T. Farnsworth, a prodigious inventor who created and demonstrated the first working model of what would become television. Tracing his life from a mere farmboy who, at the age of 15, unlocked the secret of creating a TV, the book takes the reader on a journey through the trials and tribulations Farnsworth endured trying to perfect the invention while also fighting with massive corporations who were determined to claim the device as their own. It's both an inspiring and heartbreaking tale that will have you looking at your TV with newfound appreciation, whether it's black and white or LCD.

Today in Strangeness:

German astronomer Johann Gottfried Galle discovered the planet Neptune on this day in 1846. It was particularly notable as the discovery was based on a theoretical prediction rather than visual observation. Happy Birthday, Typhoid Mary!-- born on Sept. 23, 1869. The Irish immigrant, a "healthy carrier" of typhoid fever, unwittingly spread the deadly disease around New York.

Tonight's Show, Thursday, September 23rd:

Each half hour George Noory will feature some of the top paranormal investigators from all across the US, as they share their common task of investigating ghosts, demons, and entities from the other side
#1430 | Posted: 24 Sep 2010 11:45
Britain goes halal... but no-one tells the public: How famous institutions serve ritually slaughtered meat with no warning

By Simon Mcgee and Martin Delgado
Last updated at 6:51 PM on 19th September 2010

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A Mail on Sunday investigation - which will alarm anyone concerned about animal cruelty - has revealed that schools, hospitals, pubs and famous sporting venues such as Ascot and Twickenham are controversially serving up meat slaughtered in accordance with strict Islamic law to unwitting members of the public.
All the beef, chicken and lamb sold to fans at Wembley has secretly been prepared in accordance with sharia law, while Cheltenham College, which boasts of its 'strong Christian ethos', is one of several top public schools which also serves halal chicken to pupils without informing them.

Even Britain's biggest hotel and restaurant group Whitbread, which owns the Beefeater and Brewers Fayre chains, among many others, has admitted that more than three-quarters of its poultry is halal.
A Manchester United fan tucks into a burger at Wembley Stadium, which serves only halal meat
Animal welfare campaigners have long called for a ban on the traditional Islamic way of preparing meat - which involves killing animals by drawing a knife across their throats, without stunning them first - saying it is cruel and causes unnecessary pain.
Sharia law expressly forbids knocking the animal out with a bolt gun, as is usual in British slaughter­houses. Instead, it must be sentient when its throat is cut, and the blood allowed to drip from the carcass while a religious phrase in praise of Allah is recited.
The extent of halal meat consumption, even in areas of Britain with a very small Muslim population, was revealed as the Pope, on his first visit to Britain, expressed fears that the country was not doing enough to preserve traditional Christian values and customs.
In a strongly worded speech to Parliament, he said: 'There are those who argue that the public celebration of festivals such as Christmas should be discouraged, in the questionable belief that it might somehow offend those of other religions or none.'
But it is animal rights groups which have been most vociferous in their opposition to halal slaughter. Campaign organisation Viva!, whose supporters include Heather Mills and Joanna Lumley, said in a statement: 'Other practices which may be undertaken for religious reasons, such as polygamy or the stoning of adulterers, are not permitted in the UK.
'Religious freedom does not override other moral considerations and the suffering caused by this form of slaughter is so severe that it cannot be allowed to prevent action to be taken. Consumers can do their bit by boycotting places that persist in selling meat from unstunned animals.'
Race-goers indulge in some fast food at Ascot where meat is slaughtered in accordance with strict Islamic law
An RSPCA spokesman added: 'The public have a right to know how their meat is produced. Many people are extremely concerned about animal welfare. What The Mail on Sunday has discovered shows that people are not being kept informed. The key to a more humane death for these animals is that they are stunned before slaughter.'
A spokesman for Twickenham, which sells only halal chicken despite not advertising the fact, insisted that the lack of transparency 'had never been an issue' and said: 'Our consideration is more for those who want halal, to ensure they get it.'
Other institutions secretly serving up meat that is halal – or 'permissible' – include Mid-Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust and one of London's ­biggest NHS Trusts, Guy's and St ­Thomas'.
A spokesman for the London hospitals admitted: 'The only way ­people using the canteen would know they were ­eating halal chicken would be if they asked a member of staff directly.'
The spokesman for the London hospitals added: 'The chicken we use is stunned before it is killed.'
Whitbread, which also owns Table Table restaurants, Costa Coffee shops and Premier Inn hotels, admitted last night that 80 per cent of the chicken it served comes from halal poultry ­suppliers, including some in Muslim-dominated Turkey.
A Whitbread spokesman said: 'We don't specify halal as a requirement in our procurement. We base our ­decision on quality and price.
'It just turns out that we source that amount of chicken from suppliers that happen to be halal.
'It is not mentioned on any of our menus because we don't think there is customer demand for that information. But if people started asking, then we would definitely provide it.'
Marlborough College in Wiltshire has admitted that while halal chicken is usually only served to Muslims, it had 'occasionally' served it to all pupils
Rival operator Mitchells & Butlers, which owns the Harvester, Browns and Toby Carvery restaurant chains as well as pub chains All Bar One and O'Neill's, was even more opaque about the source of its meats.
A spokesman said it had a 'broad range of suppliers' but declined to say how many were halal-certified.
Ascot racecourse said it was easier to store and cook only one type of meat.. 'All our chicken is halal. This is not advertised as the menus are kept as simple as possible,' said a spokesman.
A Football Association spokesman confirmed: 'All the beef, chicken and lamb sold at Wembley Stadium is halal which means a large proportion of the meat on offer to our customers falls into this category.' Pork, which is ­forbidden to Muslims, is also served at the stadium.
Cheltenham College boarding school in Gloucestershire admitted: 'We have not sent a letter, nor is there any note on menus that informs parents and pupils that the chicken served in the canteen is mostly halal.'
Marlborough College, in Wiltshire, admitted that while halal chicken is usually served only to Muslims, it had 'occasionally' served it to all pupils. The school refused to say whether parents and pupils had been informed.
Britain's Muslim community is exempt from regulations that require animals to be stunned before death, as is kosher meat prepared for the Jewish market.
Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, secretary of the Associate Parliamentary Group for Animal Welfare, said: 'I don't object to people of different religious groups being catered for but it's not something that should be imposed on everybody else.
'The vast majority of people in this country would not want meat of this origin. The outlets have a duty to let their customers know because some will object very strongly, not least because of the animal welfare implications of halal.'
Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said: 'We suspected that meat killed by the halal and kosher methods was being used for general consumption but we never imagined it was so widespread. It is disgraceful that ­people aren't being told if the food they are being served is from meat that has not been stunned prior to slaughter.'
In 2003, Government advisory body the Farm Animal Welfare Council published a report declaring that the halal method of killing 'would inevit­ably trigger a barrage of sensory information to the brain in a sensible (conscious) animal'.
Experts who contributed to the report concluded that 'such a massive injury would result in very significant pain and distress in the period before insensibility supervenes'.
Muslim leaders insist that animal welfare measures are observed during slaughter. Guidelines issued by the Islamic Cultural Centre in London state that 'no stress or discomfort' should be inflicted on the animal and that the knife must be sharp and clean.

Brutal reality of the ritual that allows animals to be slaughtered without being stunned first

More than 40 million cattle, calves and sheep and more than 850 million poultry are slaughtered every year in Britain.
The vast majority are stunned before slaughter but UK law allows the Jewish and Muslim communities to kill animals by religious methods without any form of stunning.
A number of requirements have been put in place, however, in an attempt to reduce animal suffering.
The rules state that the throat must be cut with one rapid, uninterrupted movement of the knife. Both carotid arteries and both jugular veins must be severed.
In addition, the knife must be inspected before each animal is slaughtered to ensure that it is of sufficient size and sharpness.
But welfare campaigners say the rules are not enough.
The Government's independent advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council, says sheep may lose consciousness within five to seven seconds of the cut.
But research has shown that some calves remain brain-responsive for up to two minutes. This is because the carotid arteries can contract after the cut has been made, effectively sealing the severed ends and maintaining blood pressure in the brain.
The RSPCA says all meat produced from animals that have not been stunned before slaughter should be clearly labelled so that it can be easily identified by consumers.
Sharia law states that the abattoir involved in the process must be under the 'close and constant supervision' of an Islamic religious organisation.
Under these rules, the cut must be made to the right side of the neck by cutting the two carotids, the two jugulars, the windpipe and the gullet, but without breaking the spinal cord.
The carcass must empty of blood and a specific time should be allowed until the animal ceases to move before the next stage of the production process – de-skinning and removing the internal organs – may begin

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#1431 | Posted: 24 Sep 2010 11:49
Geo-Engineering: Killing Off The Useless Eaters
Posted by: "Wayne Hall" halva_gr
Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:07 am (PDT)

The article "Geo-Engineering: Killing Off the Useless Eaters" is part
of the problem, not of the solution.

Its main effect (and possibly purpose) is to perpetuate divide-and-rule
scenarios of the type perfected during the Cold War.


An extract:

There is a division of roles among geoengineers: "good cops" and "bad
cops". Those we have mentioned so far are all good cops. Their discourse
makes many concessions to the sensibilities of climate scientists and
climate change activists. Their key themes are caution, prudence,
responsibility. They certainly have no sympathy for the "climate change
skeptic" viewpoint. By contrast the bad cop geoengineers are typically
people who are in, or who have come from, the weapons laboratories. They
too make concessions to a wider public. But the section of the public
they propitiate and flatter are the anthropogenic climate change
skeptics. And the indulgence of the skeptic viewpoint is not something
that has emerged only recently, as part of the recent public
strengthening of climate skepticism. It has been present from the
beginning of the discussion, from as early as Edward Teller's 1998
"Sunscreen for Planet Earth" article and doubtless even before that.

Teller was the model for Stanley Kubrick's Doctor Strangelove and is
probably the only member of the Western power elite with whom Mikhail
Gorbachev refused to shake hands. His "Sunscreen for Planet Earth" is
the template for the stance cited by Clive Hamilton in the quotes at
the beginning of this text: "If the politics of global warming require
that 'something must be done' while we still don't know whether anything
really needs to be done--let alone what exactly--let us play to our
uniquely American strengths in innovation and technology to offset any
global warming by the least costly means possible. While scientists
continue research into any global climatic effects of greenhouse gases,
we ought to study ways to offset any possible ill effects. Injecting
sunlight-scattering particles into the stratosphere appears to be a
promising approach. Why not do that?"

In other words geoengineering is the solution to this possibly
non-existent problem. .

Teller was the driving force behind not only the hydrogen bomb but also
President Reagan's "Star Wars" anti-missile system. The disingenuous
logic of "Sunscreen for Planet Earth" is nothing more or less than a
continuation of the mechanisms perfected by Teller during his long
career as a weapons scientist, not least in the "Star Wars" proposals
that were placed on the negotiating table at the 1986 Reykjavik Summit.
At Reykjavik, Reagan (i.e. Teller) proposed total destruction of Soviet
and American nuclear arsenals in exchange for acceptance by the Soviets
of America's "Star Wars" system for shooting down the nuclear missiles
whose abolition had just been negotiated. Gorbachev rejected the
proposal "as a matter of principle". It was not, he said, acceptable or
rational to consent to the construction of a system the purpose for
which it had just been agreed should and could be eliminated. That was
his opinion. Teller, who had the support of the international media,
succeeded in communicating a different message: Gorbachev was
responsible for rejecting an American proposal for total abolition of
the superpowers' nuclear arsenals (a proposal which, by the way,
startled and shocked European leaders).

We may infer from this that the skeptics were shoved into Teller's bag
of tricks to play the same role as the United States' nuclear arsenal
at Reykjavik: a "persuader" to be held in reserve, with withdrawal
offered on condition of consent to the "solution" proposed by Teller: an
anti-missile shield for shooting down prospectively non-existent nuclear
missiles, a "sunscreen" of global aerosol spraying as a solution to
putatively non-existent anthropogenic global warming.

The parallels between geoengineering and the nuclear arms race are
blatant: "Both are big, technocratic operations that can potentially put
an end to civilization as we know it...." "Just as the central question of
the nuclear age was how to keep a Doctor Strangelove from pushing the
button, the central question of the geoengineering age will be how to
prevent a Dr. Strangelove from hacking the climate." An MIT physicist
with a weapons lab background says: "A single person can now engineer a
microbe that could kill millions of people. Terrorists can use a jet to
crash into the World Trade Center. Now one nation, or even one person,
can manipulate the entire earth's climate..." How do you stop someone – or
some state – from trying to take control of the climate: That is a very
interesting question. ....You have countries like Russia, which actually
like global warming, because they want to get at the oil and gas in the
Arctic. How would they react to someone trying to cool the planet.?"

It is no solution to pass legislation banning geoengineering. "Here in
the United States, we can pass laws saying "Thou shalt not fill the
stratosphere with particles", but they're not going to carry a lot of
weight in Russia or Brazil. Ideally, the governments of Russia and
Brazil will pass their own laws, and a global consensus will emerge. But
what if (a consensus doesn't emerge)?"[1]

Teller died in 2003 but was succeeded in his mad (and evil) scientist
role by Lowell Wood. Without possessing anything of the Central
European Jewish background that may help to explain, without
decriminalizing, the mentality of the late Edward Teller, Wood is
evidently proud to be able to show the world that "Edward Teller is not
dead", continuing the Teller tradition of successfully instrumentalizing
absolutely everything in this world and beyond it in the interest of
pursuing his chosen projects.
#1432 | Posted: 24 Sep 2010 12:34
but UK law allows the Jewish and Muslim communities to kill animals by religious methods without any form of stunning.

Good post DK and it just shows how much this country needs Jews and Muslims. It is a form of mental illness these people have.
#1433 | Posted: 24 Sep 2010 18:13
I dont condone it at all, but it is their belief

#1434 | Posted: 24 Sep 2010 18:19
More power to Pat condell`s elbow either way.

Stop sharia law in Britain:
#1435 | Posted: 25 Sep 2010 05:43
cant believe they're giving the cruel ritualy sacrificed meat to kids in schools and sports fans without telling them. if you want it, you can choose it like you choose haddock or cod at the chippy.
#1436 | Posted: 25 Sep 2010 12:13
There's no freedom of choice nowadays. Our kids in school are being forced to learn "other" religions beliefs.
#1437 | Posted: 25 Sep 2010 13:24
There's no freedom of choice nowadays. Our kids in school are being forced to learn "other" religions beliefs.

Yes they are! All about them. Now, if there are 200 major religions. All of them are wrong except one. Right? (or ALL) So why teach any? I do not have 1 ounce of respect for any one of them and neither do my kids, yet they have - HAVE to learn about them. Dumbing down. Multiculturalism does not work. It is there to keep us all dumbed down.
#1438 | Posted: 26 Sep 2010 03:46
Now, if there are 200 major religions. All of them are wrong except one. Right? (or ALL) So why teach any?

corking. start an e-petition with just that text.
#1439 | Posted: 29 Sep 2010 14:45
Organised religions are all ancient and some new business models for extracting money, wealth goods and influence from the susceptible masses. In other words SCAM.

Look at medieaval times for instance :- "We know you poor serfs have a really shit oppressed life but if you worship this, do what you are told and give us your money you will go to a really nice place when you die. If not you will go to a particularly nasty place for eternity. All this mumbo jumbo frightened the shit out of the people. DO NOT let them frighten, threaten or manipulate you anymore. Remember it is a scam.

Why did the Popey Boy Religous Cult Ltd get wall to wall tv coverage ?. I suspect there are a lot of shareholders in high places.
#1440 | Posted: 29 Sep 2010 15:09
Why did the Popey Boy Religous Cult Ltd get wall to wall tv coverag

Social control.

The pope knows this is all a scam right. That`s obvious.

It has to be, he has never received an imaginary message from his imaginary god, not once, ever. He knows deep down that he is just another bloke who has covered up some dirty things. He KNOWS that it is all Lies , manipulation and evil bullshit. He knows. So do all of us. Yet he has the bare faced cheek to keep the evil fraud going. Scum is too good a word.
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