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#1111 | Posted: 7 Aug 2011 23:13
I'm prepared to let by gones be by gones

#1112 | Posted: 7 Aug 2011 23:52

Come on. Fresh start, eh?

#1113 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 00:34
I 'lost' my health about 20 years ago when I devoleped CFS or some such thing, they never gave me a diagnosis, even after batteries of tests. I have massivley improved by sorting my diet ( blood sugar problems and allergies) and moving to a warm rural location , however I still have some problems that could be put right by the aledged antibacterial ,antimicrobial & antifungal properties of colloidal silver.
My neighbour has just given us a book on Hulda clark derived treatment, its seems better than her book, is more applicable here in Europe URL


Found this on WDDTY.

Chronic fatigue syndrome (cfs):
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Less news this time because we have been swamped by readers' comments (especially about chronic fatigue and a possible link to an underactive thyroid), and we wanted to give as much space as possible to all your views and observations.

Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS): A healer writes in with the view that most cases of CFS/ME that he's experienced have been caused by a virus, often found in the spinal cord. There are four viruses, all man-made, that he's detected. But he accepts that exhaustion can be caused by an underactive thyroid, but also by infection-induced anaemia, organophosphate poisoning, digestive and liver problems, and so forth.

Another practitioner agrees that most of his patients with CFS had underactive thyroids, but believes the cause is the result of previous vaccinations, and especially the polio vaccine.

One woman is convinced there is a link between CFS and the thyroid. She found that her pituitary, which controls the thyroid and other glands, had been malfunctioni..
dark star
#1114 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 06:49 | Edited by: dark star
sly listen to yourselves?? Talk about a witch hunt!!!

I originally joined way before i first posted on here. I originally joined because i had been reading the forums for a while and was quite disgusted with the way Starseed talked to people on here. I thought i could debate him, i knew he wouldnt intimidate me like he did others. I talked to Richard about all the shenanigans on here at the time when i first joined. Richard said to me then he thought the forum could do with moderation. He was right!!! In the end i thought better about posting at first, because i decided i didnt want to waist my energy on someone so negative, Starseed! So i eventually posted when i did as i thought the decks were clear, so to speak. No ulterior motive, just thought i could contribute!

Just when life fillls you with a bit of hope that just maybe.....just maybe.... if we all work together, what ever we are facing we can get through if we just can work together......haha, yeah right!! then i come here, have not said one bad word or derogatory comment to anyone, point something out, trying to help another forum member. I get this witch hunt for zero reason whatsoever!!! Ridiculous accusations based on what??? Ask yourselves what?? Two phrases that sounded like Starseed. Seriously!! LISTEN TO YOURSELVES FFS!!

seriously people listen to yourselves!!! Is this how you want to be judged in a new society??
No evidence whatsoever!! Accused, tried and hung? Is this how you would want to be judged?? Ask yourselves that question. Maybe we get the society we deserve eh?

I cant be doing with this....too much paranoia and negativity here. I pity the poor sap who is victim to your next witch hunt!! I'll leave you to your forum. You will probably get the forum you deserve. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES!

Good luck to alll of you on your journey

Love and peace

Now Im 100% certain.......its you for sure,lol.

'Listen to yourself' was one of Seedy,s phrases........and how many times did you use it above ?

Look Starseed,I dont care if you,re pretending to be someone else...I dont mind or care really if you come back here....AS LONG AS YOUR INTENTIONS ARE WELL MEANING !
But now you are trying to send the whole forum on a guilt trip and sow the seeds of doubt again.

People say you are starseed because you ARE,so you might as well give p,ve been rumbled.

End of !
#1115 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 08:25
Gulf news....

Ian R Crane

The four different varieties of synthetic genome bacteria they put into the Gulf... eat the oil and the gases, such as methane and benzine. We have identified two of these genetically engineered bacteria in the blood of sick people that were previously unknown species of Pseudomonas Alcaligenes and Alcanivorax Borkumensis.
(This important comment was posted by Michael Edward)
#1116 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 08:31
A different version, but worth a look. dk
#1117 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 10:17
Richard, please accept my appologies for not signing out some time earlier, on a subject in reply to dreamcatcher. I have been ill and have had trouble with my devise. hopefully I will meet you at one of your upcoming conventions?
Thanks and best regards ,.
#1118 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 10:23
Dear Joe and abitogreen

First of all I would like to says thanks to you both for sharing info re hemp. For that I am very greatful. Secondly, I wish to apologise for my absences during this debate. It is very rare that I get the chance to be on the forum in the pm- family commitments.

It saddened me to see two intelligent people at odds with one another. I am drawn to you both, as you seem to be passionate in your beliefs.

As far as this SS character is concerned, I was witness to his bad behaviour and can understand why people are on edge. This is not for me to comment on as I was not deeply involved.

I hope things get sorted out. Remember why we are all here and why RDH set up this forum.

Thanks and best wishes
#1119 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 11:41
I was messing about with tones ( tuning forks, tibetan singing bowls, and humming)

Hello AllSpark

Interested in your messing about re tuning forks. I have a singingbowl that I use with the children at school(special needs), and would like to get some tuning forks. My interest is in tuning the brain to enable better quality of learning experiences etc.

Can you recommend any specific tuning forks, web sites. I've had a look on-line, but after what you shared re your own experiences, thought I would consult you too.

#1120 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 12:32
I hope things get sorted out. Remember why we are all here and why RDH set up this forum.

My sentiments exactly.

I was the main recipient of the bad behaviour & although I admit it stressed me out, & still does, I dont think we should let it stop us being helpful to each other. There is so much information out there which is never given to us through the media, & its a shame to lose this information because of suspicion of one person's bad behaviour. These arguments only show what he has been trying to do for quite some time now, & that is to disrupt the forum & get rid of people he didnt agree with, & to frighten people away.

These are the exact actions of a "troll" & I saw through him a long time ago.

Quote: A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user claims to hold. The concern troll posts in Web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group's actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed "concerns". The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.[18]"

#1121 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 12:35
Sorted my access probs on site, so here's the Fibromyalgia info I promised. dk

Fibromyalgia: mind and body techniques that help
If you're suffering from fibromyalgia, exercise is probably the last thing you feel like doing. But the evidence is stacking up to show that keeping active might be the best way to combat this painful chronic condition.

Several studies published over the last few years have found that regular physical activity—even just walking—may help alleviate the devastating symptoms of fibromyalgia, which include wide-spread pain, fatigue, disturbed sleep, stiffness, reduced physical functionality and depression.
In one of the latest studies, published earlier this year in an international peer-reviewed journal, Nordic walking—a fitness technique that involves walking with specially designed poles—was revealed to improve the physical capacity of women with fibromyalgia.

A total of 58 women completed the study, which compared moderate-to-high-intensity Nordic walking (twice a week for 15 weeks) with supervised, low-intensity walking (as the control condition). The results showed that both groups enjoyed "clinically meaningful reductions in pain and fatigue". However, compared with the control group, the Nordic walkers experienced significant fitness gains and had significantly improved scores on a fibromyalgia-specific questionnaire assessing physical function.

What's more, Nordic walking did not trigger any flareups of fibromyalgia symptoms, which can happen with some other forms of high-intensity exercise.
"Nordic walking . . . offers patients a safe and effective means of regaining functionality and physical fitness," the study authors concluded (Arthritis Res Ther, 2011; 13: 103).

Another study—published in the same international journal, but last year—demonstrated that even short bursts of physical activity, such as gardening or housework, can be beneficial for fibromyalgia sufferers.

In this report, researchers at John Hopkins University and the University of Michigan in the US investigated the effects of 30 minutes of lifestyle physical activity (LPA), five to seven days a week, on physical functionality, pain and other measures of disability in 84 relatively inactive fibromyalgia patients.
LPA involves doing moderate-intensity physical activities (intense enough to cause heavy breathing, but not to the extent that you can't hold a conversa-tion) based around everyday life, such as taking the stairs instead of the lift or vacuuming the house.

After 12 weeks, the findings showed that, compared with controls (who were only given information and support), the LPA group reported improved physical function and reduced pain—and these results were statistically significant (Arthritis Res Ther, 2010; 12: R55).

As Kevin Fontaine, lead author of the study, stated, "The nature of fibromyalgia's symptoms, the body pain and fatigue, make it hard for people with this malady to participate in traditional exercise. We've shown that LPA can help them to get at least a little more physically active, and that this seems to help improve their symptoms."

However, a follow-up study that tracked the participants for 12 months suggests that the effects of LPA are rather short-lived. Although the LPA group reported greater perceived improvement at six and at 12 months, they no longer differed from the controls in terms of pain, physical activity, body point tenderness, fatigue and depress-ion (J Clin Rheumatol, 2011; 17: 64–8).

The researchers noted that activity levels declined over the course of the study, suggesting that the participants had difficulty adhering to the LPA recommendations.

Mind–body techniques

Another type of activity that may help fibromyalgia sufferers is exercise that involves the mind as well as the body.

Yoga, for example, relieved a variety of fibromyalgia symptoms, including pain, fatigue and depression. In this study, 53 women were randomized to receive either an eight-week yoga programme (involving gentle poses, meditation, breathing exercises and group discussions) or standard care. The results with yoga were clinically significant: pain was reduced by an average of 24 per cent, fatigue by 30 per cent and depression by 42 per cent (Pain, 2010; 151: 530–9).

Crucially, participants showed a strong commitment to the yoga. "Attendance at the classes was good as was most partici-pants' willingness to practice yoga while at home," said study author James Carson. However, further research is needed to see if yoga is an effective therapy in the long term.
Another promising mind–body technique is tai chi, which combines meditation with slow, gentle, graceful movements, as well as deep breathing and relaxation.

In this trial, 66 fibromyalgia patients were assigned to either tai chi classes (one-hour sessions twice a week for 12 weeks) or a control intervention of wellness education and stretching. At the end of the study, the tai chi group showed clinically signifi-cant improvements in symptoms, as measured by the Fibromyalgia Impact Questionnaire. In particular, tai chi was associated with reduced pain and depression, and better sleep and quality of life. No adverse effects were reported and the benefits were sustained for 24 weeks (N Engl J Med, 2010; 363: 743–54).

But if faster-paced exercise is preferred, it may be worthwhile combining your favourite aerobic exercise with simple relaxation techniques such as deep breathing and visualization (adding these to the end of your workout). In a study from Spain, fibromyalgia patients who participated in an aerobic exercise programme combined with progressive relaxation techniques experienced significant improve-ment compared with the control group, which received sham magnetic therapy. After 10 weeks, the exercise + relaxation group reported better sleep, reduced anxiety and improved quality of life (Med Clin [Barc], 2011 Feb 21; Epub ahead of print).

Clearly, drugs are not the only answer to fibromyalgia, as studies are now suggesting that aerobic exercise and mind–body techniques are effective. Never-theless, more research is needed to see how these interventions fare in the long-term, although it appears that if you can stick with it, you will continue to reap the benefits. For best results, work with a physical therapist who can devise an exercise programme that's right for you.

Joanna Evans

Factfile: Other approaches

u Try TCM. According to a recent review, Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) appears to be effective against fibromyalgia. Studies show that acupuncture, Chinese herbs, and a combination of acupuncture and cupping are more successful at reducing pain than are conventional drug treatments (J Altern Complement Med, 2010; 16: 397–409).
u Give homeopathy a go. In a double-blind, randomized controlled trial (RCT, considered the 'gold standard' for scientific evaluation), individualized homeopathy proved to be "significantly better than placebo in lessening tender point pain and improving the quality of life and global health of persons with fibromyalgia" (Rheumatology [Oxford], 2004; 43: 577–82).
More recently, a review of the findings of RCTs so far revealed that homeopathy is consistently better than a placebo at alleviating the symptoms of fibromyalgia. However, the researchers noted that more rigorous trials are needed (Clin Rheumatol, 2010; 29: 457–64).
u Consider massage. A particular technique called 'myofascial release therapy' was found to improve pain, quality of sleep, anxiety levels and quality of life in a 20-week RCT study of 74 fibromyalgia patients (Evid Based Complement Alternat Med, 2011; 2011: 561753).
u Go vegan. A vegan diet—which includes no animal products—might be helpful for fibromyalgia, according to a study of 33 fibromyalgia patients who were split into two groups—one following a strict, low-salt vegan diet consisting of only raw foods, and one that continued with an omnivorous diet. After three months, the vegan dieters saw significant improvements in their overall health, with less pain and stiffness, too (Scand J Rheumatol, 2000; 29: 308–13).
However, these beneficial effects could simply be down to the fact that the participants lost weight—most were overweight at the beginning of the study, and shifting to a vegan diet caused significant reductions in their body mass index (BMI). As several studies have found a link between obesity and fibromyalgia (J Pain, 2010; 11: 1329–37), it may perhaps be that the weight loss rather than the vegan diet per se was responsible for the improvements.
u Eliminate harmful food additives. There is evidence to suggest that the artificial sweetener aspartame and the flavour enhancer monosodium glutamate (MSG)—both known to be 'excitotoxins'—may be involved in fibromyalgia. One study describes four women with fibromyalgia who saw complete or nearly complete resolution of their symptoms within months of eliminating MSG or MSG plus aspartame from their diet. More important, symptoms recurred whenever they ingested the chemicals again.
"We propose that these four patients may represent a subset of fibromyalgia syndrome that is induced or exacerbated by excitotoxins or, alternatively, may comprise an excitotoxin syndrome that is similar to fibromyalgia," the researchers said (Ann Pharmacother, 2001; 35: 702–6).
In a case report including a woman with fibromyalgia, her symptoms completely disappeared after she stopped consuming aspartame (Clin Exp Rheumatol, 2010; 28 [6 Suppl 63]: S131–3).
u Try supplements. 5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP; 100 mg three times a day) and S-adenosylmethionine (SAMe; 800 mg per day) may be effective for fibromyalgia, according to double-blind trials (J Int Med Res, 1990; 18: 201–9; Scand J Rheumatol, 1991; 20: 294–302). Other potentially useful supplements include vitamin D (Clin Rheumatol, 2007; 26: 551–4), magnesium with malic acid (J Rheumatol, 1995; 22: 953–8), and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E (Redox Rep, 2006; 11: 131–5). Many fibromyalgia sufferers are deficient in these and other nutrients, so it may be worth getting tested to see what y
#1122 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 12:39
you're low in.
u Check your thyroid. According to Dr John Lowe of the Fibromyalgia Research Foundation in Boulder, CO, many of the features of fibromyalgia and hypothyroidism (an underactive thyroid) are virtually identical, and thyroid hormone treatment trials have reduced or eliminated fibromyalgia symptoms as well (Med Sci Monit, 2006; 12: CR282–9).
For this reason, it may prove useful to investigate the possibility of having hypothyroidism, and to seek out natural treatments if you do (see WDDTY vol 20 no 10, pages 18–9).


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#1123 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 13:00
Fibromyalgia: mind and body techniques that help

Very interesting research shown and some good advice for us all re general health.

I'v sent the WDDTY link others for their info.

Thanks again dk
#1124 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 15:11
Cant say, but a clue is: husband was in Army

come on dk I need a bit more.
#1125 | Posted: 8 Aug 2011 15:13
I'm prepared to let by gones be by gones

What a gentleman! and there aint many of us left haha
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