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HISTORICAL EVIDENCE

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skipman
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#736 | Posted: 20 Mar 2014 18:04
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This is part of an article from the New Dawn magazine.
Asking why there is a persistent yearning for the ancient civilizations story when main stream historians say it is not possible.

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/crypto-history-the-state-of-the-art-part-one
skipman
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#737 | Posted: 17 Apr 2014 23:27
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The main stream historians may soon have to eat their words. Gobekli Tepe does not fit with the accepted time line of human civilization.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/NewmanH2.php
MK_DON
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#738 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 11:47 | Edited by: MK_DON
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Not sure which category this fits best in... However having been digging into Zoroaster and the origins of religion...

When it comes to those who are part of the Wests secret socieities that we know of... and those who are enforcing the laws of the evil regime which oppress humanity.. such as every member of the Police and IA's who serve the Queen and the Empire thus causing good innocent souls needless suffering

They are clearly choosing fear and lies and greed & suppressing God given natural medicine so to make money
not
Love right and truth & access to God given nature in the name of health & equality.. which is what the first prophet taught and is recorded in scripture/stone as the word of God

It does not need God to work out how wrong their actions are!


If I were to speculate - I'd suggest that these ancient secret socieities used to worship Zoroaster and the God of light who valued Nature, Equlaity, Truth and Right...
however this got twisted by histories victors so that their energies were used to feed the darkness - which is why the Empires laws are in direct conflict with the literal word of God.. as was set in stone by the ancients
MK_DON
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#739 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 11:55 | Edited by: MK_DON
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The ancient teachings of 'God'

An example of the Zoroastrian approach to holistic health promotion and healing is the haoma discipline. Haoma employs natural cures provided by nature while simultaneously invoking the spiritual healing afforded by the manthra - verses contained in Zoroastrian scripture. The approach seeks to establish harmony and the removal of imbalances between the physical and spiritual aspects of an individual.


as re-written in Modern Religion ~
'New International Version
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.'


Quite simply - according to every major religion - and the original religion which these re-write religions are generally based on -

those who blindly enfore the Laws of the evil regime which currently rules the UK & causes needless suffering to minority groups suffering from health ailments - do so in defiance of the word of God
wensam
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#740 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 14:36
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Their god is the one associated with death and money MK.

Religion is another tool for mind control. Obviously some of the people practising it are good people, i know some, but more often than not it is used as a tool to divide humanity and create needless war.

We have to look back and try and imagine the world where the shamans were the community leaders, healers and visionaries.
MK_DON
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#741 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 15:35 | Edited by: MK_DON
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wensam:
Their god is the one associated with death and money MK.

Since when?

I am hypothesising here that in the old days - right up to the birth of Christianity - or certainly in the days of ancient Eygpt - the God who was worshipped was as detailed by the first prophet Zoroaster... Enki... how ever you wish to perceive him..

i.e. the Alien God who came to Earth with divine knowledge and had his relief carved in stone so that those with their eyes open would identify him as a heavenly being..
as recorded by the Sumarian tablets..
& as detailed by the teaching of the first prophet - this (alien) God & creator of man valued love, right, truth and equality.. and wanted us to live free of oppression

Then.. somewhere along the line - the dark side got control of the majority of secret organisations which held this knowledge and twisted it to worship Enlil... under the illusion that this was still the God of Light

This to me is indicated in the beginning.. of the Bible

'you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil'

The God of Light (who those in secret societies think they are worshipping as per the teachings of the first prophet Zoroaster) - gave man the opportunity to learn right from wrong... to better themselves from their mistakes and to eat the fruit from the tree of knowledge.. out of Love

The God of Darkness ruled by FEAR - do what i tell you without question or you will burn in eternal hell

Of the two - I know which one I'd follow

I believe the secret societies think they worship the God of Light - Zoroaster - & they have actually been tricked to worship the Darkness
MK_DON
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#742 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 15:53 | Edited by: MK_DON
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These are the genuine teachings of the God of Light, whose existence has been recorded by the ancients in stone after he descended from the heavens...... and whose existence & teachings were originally intrusted to secret societies... The vast majority of which I believe have since been infilitrated by the Dark Side...

Basic Zoroastrian precepts

Equalism: Equality of all, irrespective of gender
Respect and kindness towards all living things. Condemnation of the oppression of human beings, cruelty against animals and sacrifice of animals.

Environmentalism: Nature is central to the practice of Zoroastrianism and many important Zoroastrian annual festivals are in celebration of nature: new year on the first day of spring (EASTER), the water festival in summer, the autumn festival at the end of the season, and the mid-winter fire festival (CHRISTMAS)

LOVE, RIGHT, LIGHT & TRUTH
wensam
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#743 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 15:59
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Since when? You ask, i was referring to your final statement surrounding today's events.

what real evidence do you have that God is an alien force other than sumerian tablets which are and will forever be debated?

don't get me wrong, i agree with your standpoint and comments.

how do we make right these wrongs for the benefit of us in the here and now.

You are doing a good job finding out, just to convince others.
MK_DON
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#744 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 16:19 | Edited by: MK_DON
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wensam:
We have to look back and try and imagine the world where the shamans were the community leaders, healers and visionaries.

I have had communication with one modern day Shaman - Hank - he too believes in an alien God who was responsible for ancient knowledge re Pyramids etc...

He recommended me this book when were talking in the virtual world

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Not-His-Image-Gnostic-Ecology/dp/193149892X

Bottom line - there is no doubt that first prophet and founder of the first religion - which I believe the mystery schools, gnostics, shamen etc gained their knowledge from - taught equlaity, love, right, truth
and
it is recorded in stone that he told humans to embrace nature for health...

Our leaders lead out of Fear, Greed and Lies and deny us the right to nature that God gave us... yet their religion is based on the teachings of Zoroaster...
So they have failed their God...

wensam:
We have to look back and try and imagine the world where the shamans were the community leaders, healers and visionaries.

kind of...

http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/shamanism

SHAMANISM AND ITS CONNECTION TO IRAN. Archeological and ethnological sources in Iran do not lead to confirmation of the existence of shamanic practices there, whether ancient or modern. Yet some scholars have tried to find traces of them, based on certain literary data of ancient Zoroastrianism

Perhaps when history is properly uncovered we may find Shamanism has it's roots in Zoroaster..

I mean if Zoroaster was responsible for the Pyrmaids and created modern man.. and gave man divine knowledge and taught of healing through nature... did Shamanism really precede this?
MK_DON
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#745 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 16:50 | Edited by: MK_DON
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wensam:
what real evidence do you have that God is an alien force other than sumerian tablets which are and will forever be debated?

It's a join the dots excercise - so although my outline makes sense and the pieces all fit together perfectly... there is no sayin with certainty the hypothesis is correct..

Pyramids being set out as a star map which we are only now aware of with modern tech - and their being built with technology we still do not understand would be clues... however I cannot say anything with certainty

What I will say is that for the first time since the age of 4.5 when my p1 teacher tried to dictate to me that i was a Christian, either catholic or protestent, and I refused to conform given I wanted to first find out the truth behind all major religions before choosing which one if any was right for me...
(even at that age i was concerned - what if Gods law and the law of the land conflict - which one would be right?)
I can now rationalise religion/God in my own mind based on recorded facts throughout history opposed to metaphoric biblical fairytales....

& don't take it the wrong way - but I am now convinced if Zoroaster was the first prophet - then the God he talked of is on the side of those who are being oppressed and those who are brave enough to step through the fear in the name of Love, Right & TRUTH
& those who embrace nature for health benefit and to become more in touch with their inner spirit and soul
MK_DON
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#746 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 17:10 | Edited by: MK_DON
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http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/z/zoroaster.html

'Such conflicting views might well provide the explanation between the various descriptions of the prophet ranging from some kind of a "shaman" to a worldly familiar of Chorasmain kings and court politics.'

From the evidence I have seen & which is written in stone - I hypothesise he was the first Shaman....

wensam
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#747 | Posted: 8 Jul 2014 23:34
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Are you saying that Zoroaster or Zarathustra, previously known as Mithras, another sun god who represented an early dualistic religion/cult today known as Pharsee leading to the establishment of a corrupt Christian faith was the first shaman in history?

Sorry to ask, just curious, if also slightly confused :)
MK_DON
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#748 | Posted: 9 Jul 2014 00:09 | Edited by: MK_DON
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Ready for some fiction - like Stichin but based just on insight

What if nature is indeed Godly - the home of man is Africa & our creators (plural)!although based out of Mesopotamia also had a holy mount Xion central to their Nature worship.. sorry Mount Zion.. In Jamaica., paradise

Where they reappeared - glowing orbs of light @ their space sport

When I say the creators. Do i mean you & me.. How many people do you know who will not help you out of fear...

Richard, Andrew, Ben etal - Wensam Allspark Skip etc - creators who have done a hell of a lot more than me to help change vibration
Maybe we are all misguided or children making our own mistakes - but we are brave enough to change them.. Out of love right & truth & to stand for others who are oppressed
- basically anyone who stood up for Muslims in terror war can give themselves a round if applause.. What about your average Jew.. Although I'm pro Palestine innocent Jews are still persecuted

If people refuse to help oppressed groups denied medicinal nature cherished by even their diluted version of scripture.. Creators they are not.. Those who choose love.. Creators...

Wensam you asked how we can help... Help people change their vibration.. Fear to Love.. Greed to Love.. Fear to Hate to Love., see trivia
MK_DON
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#749 | Posted: 9 Jul 2014 00:26 | Edited by: MK_DON
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I don't think there is much fiction in the above - the healing power @ Mount Zion is holy to me..
Perhaps we are getting help - if the Stone of Scone was essential to the queens power -
Is the first step a Yas vote @ the home of the Scottish Rite..

A spring board to truth - love - equality by being brave enough to take a step into the unknown... To make mistakes & grow.. These are virtues cherished by the first prophet... Along with 'independence'..

& never forget a Yas vote could lead to an end of monarch rule which is in defiance of 'God' - independence equality & the end of oppression of minority 'races' as we rediscover we are all one
wensam
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#750 | Posted: 9 Jul 2014 01:33
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MK, You have Mount Zion, I have Mount Meru.

Perhaps we all have a mountain concept, an inner mountain symbolic of our particular path through life?
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