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ImOverHere
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#496 | Posted: 21 May 2011 05:41 | Edited by: ImOverHere
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SPIRAL:
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I'ts not a good idea to try to build a popular movement of the back of a UFO site, it would be rubbished before it took its first breath

Any new popular movement no matter where it's conception lies will be ridiculed and rubbished if it is a threat to the interests and agenda of the powers that be.

If a popular movement does expand to the stage where the following has grown to such a size that it does actually threaten and effect the corporate interests and agenda of the powers that be the leaders of the movement will commit suicide.
Starseed
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#497 | Posted: 21 May 2011 06:51 | Edited by: Starseed
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ImOverHere:
The important thing and first step is that you must try and open peoples eyes to the fact that their percieved concept of mass media controlled truth is bollocks. You will be confronted with blank stares, ridicule and denial but by planting the odd thought and directing to a few choice sites and programmes the word will slowly get out. We are all mostly preaching to the converted on forums of like minded people like this. Get the word out, wake up a few people and hopefully things will continue to snowball as the 100 monkey syndrone starts to kick in.

Exactly!

A "TRUTH" party would not be about actually becoming elected. NO. It would simply be a vehicle for a message. i.e. That all the other parties LIE about every single issue - and this (ALL OF THE VARIOUS TRUTHS WE WANT EXPOSED) is the real truth about what`s going on in the world and ways to really 'change' things.

The various 'messages' would be so amazing that people would talk. A little bit of investigation, i.e. they visit the party website, will enlighten them more. It would be slagged off like no other party ever in history. That`s the point - any publicity and all that... Look at David Icke - everyone remembers his name though.
Starseed
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#498 | Posted: 21 May 2011 06:56
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ImOverHere:
If a popular movement does expand to the stage where the following has grown to such a size that it does actually threaten and effect the corporate interests and agenda of the powers that be the leaders of the movement will commit suicide.

Yes, constant references to 'accidents' and if this happens to me like David Kelly and so on and so on. All of that would come out too by way of the 'messages'. Various "what did happen to this guy who questioned the PTB?"
skipman
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#499 | Posted: 21 May 2011 12:40
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Another way of getting the message out is local radio. They have many topics that they discuss. Bin Laden was the latest. Keeping calm is a must if you are invited to make a comment. Nothing worse than coming over a fast talking loon.
When the presenter asked me what I thought about the tape where OBL was seen to be admitting to 9/11. I did not say that I believed it to be a fake, as I would have appeared to be a conspriracy nut. Instead I used the reply that the director of the FBI gave to the same question from a journalist. He was asked why OBL was not on the FBI's 10 most wanted for 9/11. He replied that there was not enough evidence to prove that he was responsible. When then asked what about the tape of him admitting to 9/11. He replied "We have not verified the tape as genuine"
The presenter stopped the interview there. It was not the answer he was expecting and I would like to think it gave some of the listeners pause for thought. Though some did text in and ask what planet I was on.
infiniteawareness
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#500 | Posted: 21 May 2011 13:05 | Edited by: infiniteawareness
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Planettraveller:
Richard for leader and your passionate self as deputy.We really need to get something going before its too late."they" must already be aware of RDH work and see him as a thorn.

I don't think it is a good idea to have a leader at all or a deputy. In the current political bullshit system i would support Richard as leader but i feel he is better at making programmes and once he became political how can he retain his slot on Showcase TV. As long as we keep sticking to our search for peace, justice, freedom,truth etc. the message remains constant and clear. I believe "The Truth Party" would be a good slogan for a Party but just call it "Cancel All Debt".
If the money becomes an issue in the end we can still keep campaigning until we get what we want. The Internet is a great tool to spread the message and to print off standard letters and slogans.
Beat them at their own game, it's our country after all.

Philip
Starseed
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#501 | Posted: 21 May 2011 13:59 | Edited by: Starseed
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infiniteawareness:
i would support Richard as leader but i feel he is better at making programmes and once he became political how can he retain his slot on Showcase TV.

LOL - as far as I know he`s not the least bit interested, he`s never made a comment on here about it and I wouldn`t expect him to.

infiniteawareness:
Beat them at their own game, it's our country after all.

They are slowly but SURELY going to take more or less total control of the internet. Rest assured - sites will not be indexed and will be burried on page 200000001 in a search if they are. There are many ways they will do this legitimately. So no good relying on the web. Getting traffic to your site would be hardly worth the effort.

No - I`m afraid that beating them at their own game will HAVE to consist of a political party of some kind. Look at those idiots the GREEN party. Those ass holes have a voice.

The TRUTH party telling it like it is, would be like hitting people over the head with a sledgehammer and would become huge overnight...

There ARE enough people out there who do see what is going on - or at the least realise something is very wrong. They have nowhere to meet and no focus. If they had??????
infiniteawareness
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#502 | Posted: 21 May 2011 17:04
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As i said before we don't need no leaders. Richard does what he does best making ground-breaking programmes, he isn't mad enough to get involved in any political campaign. I don't want to be part of any movement. The best way to break the system is to encourage the money/banking system to collapse and then pick up the pieces. Let the individuals decide for themselves we don't want no dictator dictating to us; we have had enough of that game. Yes, push for some kind of a reform in the meantime.

Philip
Starseed
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#503 | Posted: 21 May 2011 18:54
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infiniteawareness:
As i said before we don't need no leaders. Richard does what he does best making ground-breaking programmes, he isn't mad enough to get involved in any political campaign. I don't want to be part of any movement. The best way to break the system is to encourage the money/banking system to collapse and then pick up the pieces. Let the individuals decide for themselves we don't want no dictator dictating to us; we have had enough of that game. Yes, push for some kind of a reform in the meantime.

Yes, I get that.

Best of luck trying to educate an already dumbed down society by asking people to download leaflets.

Best of luck asking people to not vote Labour or Conservative in the next GE. these 'people' believe that they ARE deciding for themselves! Don`t you get it?

They ARE free to choose Labour again if they don`t like the way the Tories are running things. They HAVE a CHOICE already don`t they?

This is why nothing will ever change - you have no idea what is required to make a change, or even what changes have to happen before the possibility of any chance of change to the fiat banking system could even be considered.

The TRUTH party will never happen - neither will any advantageous change. They have already won. Talk on forums is all we have and that will be non-existent soon. And when we look back at this time will we wonder why Labour got in at the next election again? I won`t I KNOW why they did - do you?
infiniteawareness
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#504 | Posted: 21 May 2011 19:03
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Hi Starseed

We can only keep pressurising the bastards. If change comes it will come gradually. Change will happen eventually if people want it enough. The crunch will come when enough people are awake and realise what is really going on. When that time comes people won't need to be told what to do they will just do it without thinking. I remain optimistic but i am also realistic to know what we are fightng.

Philip
Planettraveller
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#505 | Posted: 21 May 2011 19:35
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Starseed:
The TRUTH party will never happen

Aint that the truth!! Because us ordinary folk dont have the cash to do it.You have too have very rich familys and very rich friends to back you but then you start to get owned by them wanting favours and there you go,back to were we are now.
Starseed
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#506 | Posted: 21 May 2011 19:58
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Planettraveller:
Aint that the truth!! Because us ordinary folk dont have the cash to do it.You have too have very rich familys and very rich friends to back you but then you start to get owned by them wanting favours and there you go,back to were we are now.

No. The concept could be started by small volunteer groups. Like the Greens way back. But - that is FAR from the reason it will never happen. It will never happen due to apathy and ignorance.
Starseed
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#507 | Posted: 21 May 2011 20:07
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infiniteawareness:
We can only keep pressurising the bastards. If change comes it will come gradually. Change will happen eventually if people want it enough. The crunch will come when enough people are awake and realise what is really going on. When that time comes people won't need to be told what to do they will just do it without thinking. I remain optimistic but i am also realistic to know what we are fightng.

No. You sound like the fools on Ickes site - all talk - it`s the same shite over and over,

"change will come if people want it enough" In a fantasy world yes.

They will never "want it enough" don`t you get it yet? "They" are completely dumbed down. They are incapable of questioning anything - they trust the BBC for fucks sake! They think their vote actually counts. They believe their honest politicians...

"The crunch will come when enough people are awake" - Who`s going to take them away from Corry and Eastenders then? Or the footy or Xfactor?

You DO NOT GET IT. It is only getting worse - NOT better.

And - even if there are enough 'awake' people to make a difference - where are they going to join together? Where?
infiniteawareness
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#508 | Posted: 21 May 2011 20:20
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Starseed:
infiniteawareness: We can only keep pressurising the bastards. If change comes it will come gradually. Change will happen eventually if people want it enough. The crunch will come when enough people are awake and realise what is really going on. When that time comes people won't need to be told what to do they will just do it without thinking. I remain optimistic but i am also realistic to know what we are fightng.
No. You sound like the fools on Ickes site - all talk - it`s the same shite over and over,

"change will come if people want it enough" In a fantasy world yes.

They will never "want it enough" don`t you get it yet? "They" are completely dumbed down. They are incapable of questioning anything - they trust the BBC for fucks sake! They think their vote actually counts. They believe their honest politicians...

"The crunch will come when enough people are awake" - Who`s going to take them away from Corry and Eastenders then? Or the footy or Xfactor?

You DO NOT GET IT. It is only getting worse - NOT better.

And - even if there are enough 'awake' people to make a difference - where are they going to join together? Where?

We will do it without their say so they will then follow us. I am an optimist and you are pessimistic. Enough said. Course i know it's getting worse. Why do you think everybody else is a fool and you are not?

Philip
Starseed
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#509 | Posted: 21 May 2011 20:29 | Edited by: Starseed
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infiniteawareness:
We will do it without their say so they will then follow us. I am an optimist and you are pessimistic. Enough said. Course i know it's getting worse. Why do you think everybody else is a fool and you are not?

With respect - who is 'we' ?

I am a realist BTW. You are not a fool, you understand what needs to happen but you are naive if you think something will just happen to change things.

What is your answer for this question BTW: 'even if there are enough 'awake' people to make a difference - where are they going to join together? Where?'
infiniteawareness
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#510 | Posted: 21 May 2011 20:41
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Hi Starseed

We: the people who are awake the opposite of sheeple. The ones who won't give up in our fight for truth, justice, etc, etc. We aren't part of a movement we just happen to be this way and believe we are right. If i change my own world it sets an example for others to follow. It's a process, there are no solutions. I am like you i am exploring different ways on this forum with like-minded people. Nothing can happen overnight. Stay optimistic and positive, it is good for your health. I enjoy the discussions.

Philip
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