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Starseed
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#136 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 21:19
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jamesvoyce:
Whats more important,in my opinion is what they found when they did land,and what shook those astronauts up so much in the press conference.

Funny eh? You can`t have it both ways. Either they did see something when they landed - or they never landed? choose your conspiracy... LOL
jamesvoyce
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#137 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 21:39
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I have always believed they landed lol
I think you are confusing me with someone else.
They landed and saw some freaky shit,about sums it up
Starseed
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#138 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 22:45 | Edited by: Starseed
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NO, Sorry James if I was unclear. - absolutely you make sense on here - and -
I meant - WE (none of us) can have it both ways. I mean - Either they did land (and they did) or they did not (WTF) You just agreed that we know what happened. So - Nice one James. (you get what I meant to say after a very nice Chilean red or two)... BTW - did you come to your conclusion via the science or because the 'No Landers' theories are just so fucking stupid?

I just realised the holes in the CT 'theories' and looked for an explanation for each. I do love the Kubrick tales though. If only I were writing a book ...
jamesvoyce
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#139 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 23:06
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Basic physics explains it all away lol
I won't even look at the moon landing conspiracy...there is nothing to it..we landed full stop.
Of course aliens,9/11 etc..that is a different story.

What are your thoughts starseed on the anti gravity controversy i mentioned in my other post?It has really got my ears pricked up simply because it was so easy to miss.Most of the "dumbed down"population would of missed it,but i am becoming convinced that the real source of ufo power comes from something other than anti-gravity.The evidence fits the massive majority of sightings..I.e.silent craft,glowing craft,sometimes humming craft,electrical disturbance etc.

This alone would throw many ufo theorys out of the window.I think Richard should get on to this and maybe do an even more ground breaking version of his "no planes theory".
He could probably topple the mainstream ufo community with this.

I have asked the guy in the vid for specifications on his craft,and hope to demonstrate the effect to you all.
Starseed
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#140 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 23:15 | Edited by: Starseed
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I have absolutely minimal info on this.

I have looked into 'claims' of other people and, some of it does look like bullshit.

However, I found nothing to disprove the anti gravity drive that Rich favours. (yet)

So - I am open minded? What can you say till you see one working?

As far as the 'no planes' theory. A silver Orb? I will just say this. My wife saw a silver orb just round the corner from our house - while driving. It was there, silver, shiny , and about the same size (approx). So...
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#141 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 23:42 | Edited by: RICHPLANET.NET
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The video is a lifter. These have been around for a while.

There is controversy over how the lifter manages to stay off the ground.

Here are the two theories.

The first is the "official" theory that you will find on Wikipedia.

The high voltage across the skirt and the wire causes ions to be stripped off the air molecules. These ions are effectively a current flow in the air, some of the ions bump into air molecules causing an ion "wind". It is this "wind" that keeps the thing off the ground.

The second explanation (which is the one I favour). Is that the high charge creates a gradient of stressed space (a gravity well) above the lifter. This gravitational pull upwards is enough to cancel the earths pull. It is effective because the object is very light, and the voltage very high.30,000 volts.

Apparently these things work in a vaccuum which means the official explanation is baloney. In fact I have heard they are even more efficient in a vaccuum.

I do believe the lifter does use the same method of propulsion as most UFOs. It uses electricity to create a very intense electrogravetic effect. Electromagnetism and gravity are very closely linked. They are both effects on space itself.

An electric field is like a 3D vortex in space, whereas a gravitational field is a stress gradient across space. You can use the first to affect the second. The problem we have is that using normal copper wire it is impossible to get the fields high enough to create measurable effects. This is why secret craft like the TR3B use supercondtive super fluids. It means that as a condctor it is thousands of tmes better than copper and can produce a measurable gravitational effect.

Using normal materials the effect is minimal. The lifter illustrates the problem, you need very high fields just to lift a very light object. Without the special superconductors you cannot lift people etc.

The TR3B is alleged to be cooled to over minus 100 degrees to keep the fluid superconductave.

The John Searl SEG also has all these signatures. Superconductive, glowing and anti-gravity. A chap has send me a load of diagrams mapping out the electromagnetic fields in John Searls machine. He has also produced drawings of electromagnetic / gravitc fields of UFOs! He has written a book. When I get time I will get round to interviewing him.
jamesvoyce
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#142 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 23:51
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Hmm yes,and maybe that is why no one seems to want to touch this.

This guy is a proper physics teacher with his own website,and he is actually debunking the standard belief in anti gravity...almost like a BBC newsman trained to debunk.

But what he does in the debunking,is describe real ufo phenomina,purely by accident.

This is why i am so impressed with it.I mean,if he was just another anti gravity believer then i can understand,but he was dismantling the ufo phenomena while at the same time describing it in perfect detail.
jamesvoyce
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#143 | Posted: 9 Nov 2010 00:08
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It is strange how the official theory fits with the scientist in the video..maybe that was his purpose,as he is responsible for educating our kids.

But yes the electromagnetic and gravitational force are linked,exept we haven't figured them out yet.When we do,we will have the theory of everything...Thing is,it seems like someone has already figured this out.

The guy in the video has clearly got lift,and he claims he could feel downward air pressure.But my main point Richard was this.

If he was so against the conspirasry theorist's in his video,why,due to being so focused on debunking anti-gravity,did he describe the vast majority of ufo experiences.
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#144 | Posted: 9 Nov 2010 00:14
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Don't know what his motives are. The experiment needs to be done in a vacuum to see who is right.

Unfortunately this is probably not that easy.
jamesvoyce
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#145 | Posted: 9 Nov 2010 00:39
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It still begs the question how scientists are usings methods of flight that we simply do not use.If one guy can figure this out in his kitchen..what could a whole team of scientists figure out down in new mexico?Maybe this info has filtered down through the military,maybe from alien sources,who knows.

Maybe it is anti gravity,maybe when he put his hand underneath and felt upward pressure,he really felt a lighter hand.

Maybe he was put there(and he does have a pro website)by the government to shut us all up.
Either way,i think i will try to replicate his experiment but fit in some type of scale to measure the mass of an object underneath it.
Starseed
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#146 | Posted: 9 Nov 2010 07:50
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LOL - which video are you two talking about? I`m reading all this fascinating stuff and I have no idea what you are referring to?
Starseed
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#147 | Posted: 9 Nov 2010 16:22
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ord5QVRmjw

He is one of those children's entertainers that do the rounds, the kids get entertained with science tricks and the like:
http://www.doscience.co.uk/school_science_days.html

I don`t get what is all the fuss about, he`s not the first person to make one of these surely?

What do I know?
RICHPLANET.NET:
This is why secret craft like the TR3B use supercondtive super fluids.

This rang a bell though - about all those 'super fluid' videos a while back...
Starseed
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#148 | Posted: 9 Nov 2010 16:28
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The Secret to Anti-Gravity REVEALED!

This is bloody good. Is this what you are on about then Rich?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJJ-4lnwrck
Starseed
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#149 | Posted: 9 Nov 2010 17:01
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Lifter Ion Craft

The lifter or asymmetrical capacitor is a device invented by Thomas Townsend Brown in 1921 in Ohio.

"I feel that isn't a viable method of propulsion due to the low thrust output and complexities, but is still enjoyable to demonstrate."

Old invention then and this guys site seems to explain what is happening IMO

http://www.hvlabs.com/lifter.html
Starseed
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#150 | Posted: 9 Nov 2010 17:04
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This is an impressive one:



5 Metres wide...
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