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dark star
#121 | Posted: 5 Nov 2010 20:03
rizon last night about asteroids ?

Glued to it DS - I had given up on Horizon recently but this was a good one.

19 hours to impact and they find it?! 90.000 1km ones that will destroy all life on earth that do not matter because the 100 metre - NO - 30 metre ones may well fuck us anyway and we have absolutely no chance of predicting those ones anyway and there are millions of potential ones...

Unfortunately, once again, these findings seem to be rooted in FACT!
Unlike "I feel it" or "I just know it" or " my spirit guide / guardian angel told me". NO.

FACT. Cold hard provable FACT!

dark star:
A scientist also put forward the idea that water was brought here via asteriod

Water got here somehow and this seems the current best explanation. The Earth would have been as they said - very hot, baked, and dry otherwise. This is old news. The Earth did not spring into existence overnight c

I get a bit lost at this point.I have absolutely no idea under what conditions water is 'made'.
Obviously i know that water is H 2 O,but how ,where and why those 2 elements bonded together is a mystery to me.

But water is obviously a very mysterious material,a French scientist had his government funding removed after he put forward the idea that water has a memory.
#122 | Posted: 5 Nov 2010 22:15 | Edited by: Starseed
Yes, No,

The Earth like other developing planets multi millions of years ago would have had to have been impacted by hundreds of thousands of these things and if some of them (many) did not consist of Ice - then we would not be here...

dark star:
French scientist had his government funding removed after he put forward the idea that water has a memory.

Quite rightly too - if water has / can hold a memory of 'tiny' trace elements (as is the bollocks) then you are more than likely to be drinking in all sorts of shit, piss, sick, pollutants, blood, snot,dirt, you name it, the list would be immense compared to the so called utter crap of ...

I`m not going to say it.

Oh fuck it - Homeopathy - It can not be defended and is total shit even the top UK bullshitter knows that it is nothing more than a placebo effect. AND...

Before the bullshitters post yards of SHIT to defend homeopathetic as some 'real' cure for nothing - show me a double blind test - JUST 1 - that will show any proof whatsoever. There is none, so lets all agree to agree that it is SHIT. Full stop. Or Proof. And by proof I mean clinical double blind tests. You know, like the ones the 'Dowsers' always fuck up at...
#123 | Posted: 5 Nov 2010 22:22
dark star:
I get a bit lost at this point.I have absolutely no idea under what conditions water is 'made'. Obviously i know that water is H 2 O,but how ,where and why those 2 elements bonded together is a mystery to me.

This is uncanny - My 14 year old son answered this question today, to my 9 yr old daughter, only this afternoon. What are the odds?
#124 | Posted: 5 Nov 2010 23:30
What is water made of?
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1 molecule of pure water is composed of 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom.


Other than pure water(commonly referred to as 'distilled water'), the *source* of a water sample will greatly affect what is likely to be present together with the water molecules.

For example: * Salt Water [eg from oceans -- contains salt {obviously :-)}, plus many other trace elements(eg iodine)] * Fresh Water [eg from rivers -- contains elements washed out of rocks, ground pollutants from farming, effluent from industry] * Drinking Water [domestic tap water -- will contain additives for purification, flouridation,etc] * Mineral Water [bottled water -- similar to fresh river water but (hopefully) without pollutants] * Rain Water [may contain atmospheric pollutants]

Pure (distilled) water will have the water molecules (H2O) in a balanced (but dynamic) equilibrium with individual positively charged Hydrogen ions, H(+), and with negatively charged Hydroxide ions, OH(-). A chemical reaction proceeds in both directions, at random, continuously. It can be represented by the following shorthand:

2 H(+ve) + OH(-ve) <==> H2O

H20 molecules are V-shaped, with each Oxygen atom bonded to two Hydrogen atoms, something like this:

H / O \ H

As with all compunds, water is present around us in different states: A group of many H20 molecules form a complicated interacting conglomeration in liquid water, where adjacent molecules are somewhat 'joined' to each other, in passing. Liquid water can be referred to as, H2O(l), where 'l' is for 'liquid'.

When cooled sufficiently(0 Degrees Celsius), liquid water becomes solid - then known as "water ice" or just "ice", or also known as H20(s) with the 's' for 'solid'. The H20 molecules now have much less kinetic energy and are more fixedly joined to the adjacent molecules. On the other hand, heated water(100 Degrees Celsius) becomes gaseous - then known as "steam", or H20(g) with the 'g' standing for 'gas'. The molecules have high energy and and just bounce off each other constantly.

Nice stuff :-)
#125 | Posted: 6 Nov 2010 09:02
My system wont let me play this, but its a fault on here. dk

Astronomers have noticed a massive filament extending from the
Sun over the past few weeks. Plasma Cosmology might suggest
that such a Solar outburst could be a symptom of space weather
further afield.

Question is: could there also be a relationship between this
plasmic filament and the recent earthquakes, tsunamis and
volcanic eruptions in Indonesia, that have claimed over 600
lives in the past 2 weeks?

Paul LaViolette is the rare scientist willing to discuss
the relationship between astrophysics and geophysics. He says
that Gamma Ray Bursts (GRBs) from exploding stars are preceded
by powerful gravity bow waves, which "during their passage,"
induce earthquakes and cause "polar axis torquing effects."
This is what he says happened during the week of the brightest
GRB in history, in December 2004.

Originating from a star near the center of the Milky Way,
this GRB disabled multiple satellites and communications
devices and LaViolette asserts, triggered the catastrophic
earthquake and the tsunamis in more than a dozen countries.

With 21 volcanoes suddenly activated in Indonesia, some
geologists are now bracing for a "major plate restructuring"
along the same plate which triggered the earthquake/tsunamis
that killed over 230,000 people in 2004.

In this interview, LaViolette shares more information about
GRBs and their relationship to Earth's cyclical ice ages and
how these correlate to traditional "world age" doctrines that
exist in cultures around the world, including Western


- Alexandra
#126 | Posted: 7 Nov 2010 08:41

What are the odds on this? You talk (we talk) about the good Horizon prog the other night and (no such thing as coincidence) Thunderfoot uploads this:

Why Do People Laugh at Creationists (Part 34)

Ignore the fact that he is having a laugh at this nutter (although that is a very amusing aside) He gives an absolutely CRACKING mini geology lesson, really interesting and informative short video. You will see why it is relevant to Horizon...Enjoy...
#127 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 16:17
Andrew Johnson's site. Check video at end.

FW: Dark Side of the Moon
If you haven't seen this before, it will mess with your head!

From: Tom Sent: 30 October 2010 19:42
To: Tom Bratland
Subject: Dark Side of the Moon

Dark Side of the MoonHow could the flag flutter when there's no wind on the moon? During an interview with Stanley Kubrick's widow an extraordinary story came to light. She claims Kubrick and other Hollywood producers were recruited to help the U.S. win the high stakes race to the moon.

In order to finance the space program through public funds, the U.S. government needed huge popular support, and that meant they couldn't afford any expensive public relations failures. Fearing that no live pictures could be transmitted from the first moon landing, President Nixon enlisted the creative efforts of Kubrick, whose 2001: a Space Odyssey (1968) had provided much inspiration, to ensure promotional opportunities wouldn't be missed.

In return, Kubrick got a special NASA lens to help him shoot Barry Lyndon (1975). A subtle blend of facts, fiction and hypothesis around the first landing on the moon, Dark Side Of The Moon illustrates how the truth can be twisted by the manipulation of images.
With use of 'hijacked' archival footage, false documents, real interviews taken out of context or transformed through voice-over or dubbing, staged interviews, as well as, interviews with astronauts like Buzz Aldrin and others, Dark Side Of The Moon navigates the viewer through lies and truth; fact and fiction. This is no ordinary documentary. Its intent is to inform and entertain the viewer, but also to shake him up make him aware that one should always view television with a critical eye.
#128 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 16:48 | Edited by: Starseed
I read this a long time ago, even if you end up not believing a word of it, it is still a fantastic article:

How Stanley Kubrick
Faked the Apollo Moon Landings:

This is even better: Secrets of The Shining:

Or How Faking the Moon Landings Nearly
Cost Stanley Kubrick his Marriage and his Life.
#129 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 16:50
Ive known a long time as well, but many still believe.
#130 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 16:54
We DID go to the moon though. It`s just not worth the discussion about that. IMO
#131 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 16:56
The Flag.

The ideal conspiracy believer says:
"The flag placed on the surface by the astronauts flapped despite there being no wind on the Moon."

But the astronauts were actually moving the flag into position. Without air drag, these movements caused the free corner of the flag to swing like a pendulum for some time. A horizontal rod, visible in many photographs, extended from the top of the flagpole to hold the flag out for proper display. The flag's rippled appearance was from folding during storage, and it could be mistaken for motion in a still photograph. The top support rod telescoped and the crew of Apollo 11 could not fully extend it. Later crews preferred to only partially extend the rod. Videotapes shows that when the flag stops after the astronauts let it go, it remains motionless. At one point the flag remains completely motionless for well over thirty minutes.
#132 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 17:10
I cant watch many videos, & those are some I cant watch.

It was a long time ago, but I thought Id give another slant to it.

#133 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 17:10
Answers to questions:

I like a good tale, like the Shining stuff above, absolutely stonking article. However, an educated person can think about an idea without automatically accepting it. It often pays to look at things from an objective point of view and weigh the facts carefully before making a decision.

It is better not to let emotions get in the way of rational decision making. Don't jump to conclusions! Don't accept something without knowing the facts or the reasoning behind it. I have to keep reminding myself of this when I am banging on about the mysterious high frequency beeps on BBC & Sky. I would love to say what I think they are, and almost have. Almost...
dark star
#134 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 19:12
Well go on then.......give it to me baby !

What,s your theory ? What is it and why, IYO ?
#135 | Posted: 8 Nov 2010 19:15
I thought this moon thing was pretty much put to bed years ago..
Especially the flag movement which is easily explained with physics.
Whats more important,in my opinion is what they found when they did land,and what shook those astronauts up so much in the press conference.

The evidence for ufo's and moon bases seems stronger than not landing on the moon,but we don't see mainstream tv addressing this.

I mean,come on,we have all heard the apollo tapes describing ufo' fact,this is some of the most convincing evidence of all,not to mention some astronauts speaking out on alien craft.
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