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wensam
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#466 | Posted: 28 Jul 2014 12:01
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Desdichado:
Anyway, please send fraternal greetings to your friends. It's nice to hear of others wielding the notched and rusty blade ;-)

Thanks, I will, you're a gent.

One friend who always wanted to practise charity law found it impossible to get started so after practising family and farmer legal stuff in the countryside, moved onto Edinburgh, one of the big firms. She couldn't believe how unprofessional the set up was and hated it, so ditched it along with the bigger money and returned to farmers fields and family law. She still works ridiculous hours, but no drugs or alcohol, only nicotine! I can imagine the pressures and the deadlines- no need for it really.
Kozmik
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#467 | Posted: 28 Jul 2014 19:21
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Desdichado:
No plans Kozmik.

Excellent, in this case
skipman
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#468 | Posted: 28 Jul 2014 23:27
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Politically things are coming apart at the seams in the Ukraine.
Which makes getting to the bottom of the downed airplane less certain.
There is also another explanation for what might have been the cause of the shooting down.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-media-allege-flight-mh17-shot-down-by-ukraine-mis sile-unit-political-disarray-following-collapse-of-kiev-government/5393418
nordsee220
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#469 | Posted: 29 Jul 2014 19:56
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skipman:
Politically things are coming apart at the seams in the Ukraine.Which makes getting to the bottom of the downed airplane less certain.There is also another explanation for what might have been the cause of the shooting down.

Try this:

America is busying itself, surrounding Russia on all fronts.
Public opinion of the US is at rock bottom in Malaysia.
Malaysia has little to offer in the way of diamonds, gold, oil etc.
The US wants to dominate the world but has to have an agenda.
Malaysia allows its planes to be seized by terrorists all too easily.
Malaysia needs urgent "help" from America, to manage its infrastructure.

In we go.....
Desdichado
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#470 | Posted: 29 Jul 2014 21:31
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nordsee220:
America is busying itself, surrounding Russia on all fronts.
Public opinion of the US is at rock bottom in Malaysia.
Malaysia has little to offer in the way of diamonds, gold, oil etc.
The US wants to dominate the world but has to have an agenda.
Malaysia allows its planes to be seized by terrorists all too easily.
Malaysia needs urgent "help" from America, to manage its infrastructure.

In we go.....

Actually, Malaysia does have an abundant supply of oil, as well as minerals and natural gas: facts not lost on our old mates, the CIA.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2111.html

It has been a few years now since I last visited Malaysia (pre-9/11) but during my travels there, I did not think it was by any means a poor country. There's still a huge rubber industry there but it's not as great as it once was. Kuala Lumpur is a lovely, modern city and very safe. Travelling through the Cameron Highlands, you'll see some of the most amazing scenery. Penang is a melting pot with Malays, Chinese, Indians, and Europeans all living there. Scaled down, Malaysia's infrastructure is probably as good as America's. What's not to like?, I hear you ask.

Malaysia is a Muslim nation and none too fond of Israel, yet has defence ties to the USA. The Malaysians are an independent bunch though and despite the pragmatism of an alliance to America (the proximity of China) they're not too keen to bend over for Washington too far. That makes them unpredictable and to neo-cons, not to be trusted; after all, to the neo-con mind, all Muslims are damned terrorists, whether they admit it or not. But you're right. Maybe it's time the Malaysians were introduced to some of Obama's 'change we can believe in' to help them on their way down the path to 'freedom.'
skipman
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#471 | Posted: 2 Aug 2014 21:45
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I would have thought that American law was only applicable in America.

Not if an American company owns a subsidiary abroad. And it happens to be data that is stored there and the IA's want it.

http://www.orrazz.com/2014/08/how-one-judge-single-handedly-killed.html

Taking the above into account then why is an American company not allowed to be sued if a subsidiary that it owns has caused the death of thousands, the continued ill health and birth defects?

I know it paid out initially but when the real effects were realised, it hid behind its laws.

The company was Union Carbide, the place Bhopal,India.

America's message to the world is "we do what we like,FUCK YOU"
Desdichado
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#472 | Posted: 4 Aug 2014 02:40
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Skip, the judge in that case was Loretta Preska. Here's her wiki page. Should tell you all you need to know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_A._Preska
Kozmik
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#473 | Posted: 4 Aug 2014 15:02
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Sounds like a lovely person..... "Was a member of the law firm who were the attorney's for the family Bush." Can't think why anyone would need to sue that family, eh.
skipman
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#474 | Posted: 5 Aug 2014 18:36
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Desdichado:
Skip, the judge in that case was Loretta Preska. Here's her wiki page. Should tell you all you need to know.

She is one of many who has taken the road that goes with the flow and has been amply rewarded.

This is also a woman who is a solicitor and who has most definitely chosen a more difficult but more liberating,especially for her clients,path.

Her name is Gareth Pierce,this is a fascinating interview from radio 4's series "A Law unto Themselves"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04cbnn6

This program revealed a lot I did not know about this lady. The battle of Orgreave during the miners strike led to many miners being prosecuted on charges that could have sent them to prison for life. It was her sheer hard work spending many hours in police vaults that unearthed the proof she needed that the police were lying under oath. (There's a shock)
After 45 days of tearing the prosecutors evidence apart, the judge did not bother with calling for the defenses evidence, he threw out the case.

You can imagine she is not popular with the Conservative government.
Desdichado
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#475 | Posted: 6 Aug 2014 22:05
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skipman:

Her name is Gareth Pierce,this is a fascinating interview from radio 4's series "A Law unto Themselves"

Funny you should mention her. I actually met her many years ago in London at a fundraiser for the Guildford Four. Paul Foot (I think) was one of the organisers. I think that Helena Kennedy was there too. I may even have a poster or two lying around from that time. It was not a popular cause to back either.

Hard to believe that the Miner's Strike was 30 years ago. I certainly remember Orgreave as is was never out of the news. Much has come out in the intervening years about just how much weight the government threw into crushing that strike. MI-5 were all over the place watching protesters and miners alike. I think it came to the balance of a hair as to whether the army went in. Had the strike been unanimous, they would have had to send troops in. They did it during the fireman's strike in 1977 when they put "Green Goddesses" on the streets.
skipman
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#476 | Posted: 6 Aug 2014 22:10
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Desdichado:
. I think it came to the balance of a hair as to whether the army went in.

In one of Richard's talks he claimed that there were soldiers dressed as police at Orgreave.
Desdichado
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#477 | Posted: 7 Aug 2014 13:40
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skipman:

In one of Richard's talks he claimed that there were soldiers dressed as police at Orgreave.

I always thought that this was a myth perpetrated by striking miners. There's some anecdotal evidence - coppers with no numbers, coppers of "military bearing," but nothing concrete.

There's no doubt that the spooks were involved, and I think this may have been admitted. The police were bussed from place to place on an as-needed basis. You had coppers from the Met facing down strikers in Yorkshire, and coppers from Manchester down in Nottingham.

However, I would never discount the possibility of military involvement. British troops were well-schooled in the art of urban fighting and could have taken the lessons learned on the streets of Belfast and Derry to the mining villages. If they didn't take part, they may have acted in an advisory capacity.

I remember hearing tales at the time about how much money coppers were making in overtime pay. Apparently, some of them would wave money at the strikers who were damned-near starving.

One day, maybe not during our lifetimes, the truth about that time will come out.
skipman
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#478 | Posted: 7 Aug 2014 17:19
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Desdichado:
Apparently, some of them would wave money at the strikers who were damned-near starving.

Some police officers put money in the miners collection tins. Knowing it was an investment,as the longer the strike went on the more overtime they would get.
Joe
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#479 | Posted: 7 Aug 2014 19:46
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skipman:
Some police officers put money in the miners collection tins. Knowing it was an investment,as the longer the strike went on the more overtime they would get.

I would not be surprised to hear if some of the police officers even claimed damages to their boots after kicking the miner's heads in afterwards!
nordsee220
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#480 | Posted: 7 Aug 2014 20:37 | Edited by: nordsee220
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Desdichado:
skipman: In one of Richard's talks he claimed that there were soldiers dressed as police at Orgreave.I always thought that this was a myth perpetrated by striking miners. There's some anecdotal evidence - coppers with no numbers, coppers of "military bearing," but nothing concrete.

I worked at British Gas(*) at the time. My mate Andy Y**** took a day's unpaid leave to support the miners in Northumberland. On the "line" he saw his brother in a copper's uniform.
His brother was in fact a squaddie. Andy called him all the bastards under the sun and his brother said he was just doing what he was ordered to do. Andy said that Hitler's followers said the same thing and vowed never to speak to his brother again.

If you don't want to believe it, as Alan Bean said about Apollo, "...that's fine. That's one of the benefits of living in a free country. You can believe anything you want....

And we all know the Bullshit Broadcrapping Castration won't tell you the truth.

Andy was no liar and neither am I. And yes, he said the coppers were waving bunches of money at the miners who were fighting for a bloody living whilst those in Little England had no idea of the atrocities being carried out against those "disgusting" mine workers.

My ex wife (from Llandudno) said the answer was simple, just sell your house and move to where there is work but with 36% unemployment and house prices plummeting from (THEN) 25k to 9k and a 20k mortgage I'd ask her to tell me this, who in holy fuck is going to want to buy your little palace or slice of Englandshire so you can fuck off to a better life? She was such a stupid cunt. Towns like Consett, where they raped the steelworks too, had THOUSANDS of houses on the market and the population was only 30,000.

Aye, us poor fuckers "up north", eh? Raped up the arse and all part of the plan that's got so many shagged nowadays.

Tough, innit!?

Now, please pardon my French but this subject really fucks me off.

(*) British Gas - Yet another short term fix, the industry flogged off to greedy twats as a short term gap filler to make the economy look healthy while the maniacs at the top of the banking industry prepared to fuck the lot of you. (KY jelly not supplied.)
There were something like 60 thousand people in British Gas and you could get everything from a cooker pan support to a full central hating system. You could have a furnace for making light bulbs (ha ha ha, we got shagged there too) or a fish n chip shop and get everything with one phone call.
Now it's all gone and we're trying to get the trains re-nationalised, not that anyone really gives a flying toss. They've all given up hope and actually believe that privatisation is best even though their eyes tell them IT'S NOT WORKING.

Oh and finally, "nothing concrete". The coppers weren't exactly posing for the camera, saying "Cheese" whilst the starving thousands snapped away on their Polaroids or Kodak Instamatics.

Mates have asked me lots of times why I won't go into politics.

I don't like the thought of swallowing high velocity lead fed to me through the back of my head. (Of course it was the front. I was repeating what the BBC told me about JFK.)
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