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dark star
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#151 | Posted: 14 Aug 2009 10:09
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dark star
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#152 | Posted: 14 Aug 2009 10:20
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telecaster:
DS, what does Adrian Gilbert say then ?
I tried youtubing him but forgot my headphones
are bust

T, if you google Adrian Gilbert Website you,ll find out all about his ideas there......look at sub-section "Star Gate"
CTRILEY
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#153 | Posted: 14 Aug 2009 17:34 | Edited by: CTRILEY
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telecaster:
Is there any evidence
of Moses in Egyptian Archaeology ?

The names "MOSE" means "Son", whilst "Moses" means "Son of" and is found within the names of several such pharaohs Tutmose

There are number of books such as (Moses Pharaoh of Egypt, Grafton Books 1990, by A Osman) which claim that Moses was in fact the heretic pharaoh Akhenaten who some claim did not die but was removed from the throne.

According to the Bible Moses (whilst standing before Pharaoh) performed an act with his staff which turn into a snake which then ate the snales of the priests. This is believed to be a metaphor, as Akhenaten's staff had a snakes head and what is claimed is that after the old pharaoh died, Akhenaten tried to reclaim the throne. Claiming to be the son of Amunhotep II, to prove his claims he performed the same ritual with his staff that pharoahs performed at the Sed festival (where the Pharoah renewed his power) which only the priests would recongise.

I doubt if it is true but the evidence put forward is very interesting and thought provoking.
telecaster
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#154 | Posted: 14 Aug 2009 20:58
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Ah, DS, now I put 2 and 2 together !
Yes, a learned man. I watch him on The Invisible College
on Edge TV.
Shame about "The Orion Mystery". The most boring book
I`ve ever finished ! Perhaps I was waiting for some
astonishing revelation apart from 200 or so pages that
tell you the 3 pyrimids were the same pattern as Orion`s belt.
I`m thinking about writing a 300 page novel about my ashtray.
What came first, "Stargate the movie" or Adrian`s Stargates ?
T.
dark star
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#155 | Posted: 14 Aug 2009 21:07
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telecaster:
Ah, DS, now I put 2 and 2 together !
Yes, a learned man. I watch him on The Invisible College
on Edge TV.
Shame about "The Orion Mystery". The most boring book
I`ve ever finished ! Perhaps I was waiting for some
astonishing revelation apart from 200 or so pages that
tell you the 3 pyrimids were the same pattern as Orion`s belt.
I`m thinking about writing a 300 page novel about my ashtray.
What came first, "Stargate the movie" or Adrian`s Stargates ?
T.

Im with you on that one T, he is a bit of a bore....well monotone,but a clever guy.He ties up a lot of traditions which fit when put together.
telecaster
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#156 | Posted: 14 Aug 2009 23:23
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The Invisible College on Edge TV is well worth checking out.
I did totally forget he co-wrote that book.
My brain is going !
All right....... it`s gone !
T.
monkeyboy
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#157 | Posted: 18 Aug 2009 21:56
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it`s official life comes from space. :)

http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/leadership/showArticle.jhtml?articleID =219400433

NASA Researchers Make First Discovery of Life's Building Block in Comet
08.17.09

NASA scientists have discovered glycine, a fundamental building block of life, in samples of comet Wild 2 returned by NASA's Stardust spacecraft.

"Glycine is an amino acid used by living organisms to make proteins, and this is the first time an amino acid has been found in a comet," said Dr. Jamie Elsila of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "Our discovery supports the theory that some of life's ingredients formed in space and were delivered to Earth long ago by meteorite and comet impacts."

Artist's concept of Stardust encountering comet Wild 2This is an artist's concept of the Stardust spacecraft beginning its flight through gas and dust around comet Wild 2. The white area represents the comet. The collection grid is the tennis-racket-shaped object extending out from the back of the spacecraft. Credit: NASA/JPL

Elsila is the lead author of a paper on this research accepted for publication in the journal Meteoritics and Planetary Science. The research will be presented during the meeting of the American Chemical Society at the Marriott Metro Center in Washington, DC, August 16.

"The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Dr. Carl Pilcher, Director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute which co-funded the research.

Proteins are the workhorse molecules of life, used in everything from structures like hair to enzymes, the catalysts that speed up or regulate chemical reactions. Just as the 26 letters of the alphabet are arranged in limitless combinations to make words, life uses 20 different amino acids in a huge variety of arrangements to build millions of different proteins.

Stardust passed through dense gas and dust surrounding the icy nucleus of Wild 2 (pronounced "Vilt-2") on January 2, 2004. As the spacecraft flew through this material, a special collection grid filled with aerogel a novel sponge-like material that's more than 99 percent empty space gently captured samples of the comet's gas and dust. The grid was stowed in a capsule which detached from the spacecraft and parachuted to Earth on January 15, 2006. Since then, scientists around the world have been busy analyzing the samples to learn the secrets of comet formation and our solar system's history.

Artist's concept of comet particle impact tracks in aerogelThis is an artist's concept of particle hits on the aerogel collection grid. The greenish areas represent the aerogel. Hits are the light green teardrop-shaped areas. Particles are represented by dots at the tips of the teardrops. Credit: NASA/JPL
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"We actually analyzed aluminum foil from the sides of tiny chambers that hold the aerogel in the collection grid," said Elsila. "As gas molecules passed through the aerogel, some stuck to the foil. We spent two years testing and developing our equipment to make it accurate and sensitive enough to analyze such incredibly tiny samples."

Earlier, preliminary analysis in the Goddard labs detected glycine in both the foil and a sample of the aerogel. However, since glycine is used by terrestrial life, at first the team was unable to rule out contamination from sources on Earth. "It was possible that the glycine we found originated from handling or manufacture of the Stardust spacecraft itself," said Elsila. The new research used isotopic analysis of the foil to rule out that possibility.

Isotopes are versions of an element with different weights or masses; for example, the most common carbon atom, Carbon 12, has six protons and six neutrons in its center (nucleus). However, the Carbon 13 isotope is heavier because it has an extra neutron in its nucleus. A glycine molecule from space will tend to have more of the heavier Carbon 13 atoms in it than glycine that's from Earth. That is what the team found. "We discovered that the Stardust-returned glycine has an extraterrestrial carbon isotope signature, indicating that it originated on the comet," said Elsila.

The team includes Dr. Daniel Glavin and Dr. Jason Dworkin of NASA Goddard. "Based on the foil and aerogel results it is highly probable that the entire comet-exposed side of the Stardust sample collection grid is coated with glycine that formed in space," adds Glavin.

"The discovery of amino acids in the returned comet sample is very exciting and profound," said Stardust Principal Investigator Professor Donald E. Brownlee of the University of Washington, Seattle, Wash. "It is also a remarkable triumph that highlights the advancing capabilities of laboratory studies of primitive extraterrestrial materials."

The research was funded by the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis program and the NASA Astrobiology Institute. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the Stardust mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, developed and operated the spacecraft.

To learn more about the mission, visit http://stardustnext.jpl.nasa.gov/ .

For more about the NASA Goddard astrobiology team, visit http://astrobiology.gsfc.nasa.gov/analytical .
dark star
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#158 | Posted: 18 Aug 2009 22:07
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What d,ya recon on NASA MB ?
They seem to avoid ET evidence here on earth,but go with "life out there some where"
monkeyboy
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#159 | Posted: 18 Aug 2009 22:28
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dark star:
What d,ya recon on NASA MB ?
They seem to avoid ET evidence here on earth,but go with "life out there some where"

plausible deniability they like to sit on the fence so which ever way thay new evidance goes they can say see we told you so. Never A Straight Answer.
Dave Hall
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#160 | Posted: 18 Aug 2009 22:30
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dark star:
They seem to avoid ET evidence here on earth,but go with "life out there some where"

They want to make their bloody minds up DS.
The trouble is NASA wil only tell you what THEY want.
More DISINFO !!!!!!!!!
D.
dark star
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#161 | Posted: 18 Aug 2009 22:35 | Edited by: dark star
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Some say its to make sure that can carry on gettin funding from tax payers,sort of " we are looking for life out in space,so give us more money",after all it a government agentcy.
monkeyboy
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#162 | Posted: 18 Aug 2009 23:06 | Edited by: monkeyboy
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http://lunarscience.arc.nasa.gov/articles/grand-plans-for-moon-and-mars-budget-permit ting

Grand Plans for Moon and Mars, Budget Permitting Jul 15, 11:15 am

NASA's program to send astronauts back to the Moon by 2020 could result in exciting research activities, like building a radio telescope on the far side, shielded from the noise from Earth, or looking for layers of frost in shadowed craters near the poles.

NASA's program to send astronauts back to the Moon by 2020 is often called "Apollo on steroids."

To detractors, this is a description of disparagement treading the same path as 40 years ago, only with bigger, costlier rockets.

But the officials at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration say the new missions will be much grander astronauts living on the Moon for months at a time, driving hundreds of miles across the lunar surface and, for the first time, building an outpost on ground that is not Earth.

"It's not just flags and footsteps," said John Olson, director of the office within NASA's exploration systems mission directorate that integrates the disparate parts of a lunar program. "It's substantially important work."

The technologies and skills, the NASA officials say, are essential before pushing on to Mars, the next major destination. Scientists see several exciting research possibilities on the Moon, like building a radio telescope on the far side, shielded from the noise from Earth, and looking for layers of frost in shadowed craters near the poles, which may preserve hints of the solar system's past.

But with trillion-dollar federal budget deficits and a blue ribbon panel now re-evaluating the United States' human space flight program, there is some question whether the lunar designs that NASA has drawn up over the past five years will be built. The agency could be told to focus on robotic missions, to undertake cheaper alternatives for getting to the Moon or to shift its target to something else, like an asteroid.

If NASA does not go to the Moon, it is not clear anyone else would go, either. Some Chinese and Russian officials have talked about establishing a Moon base sometime around 2025, but neither China nor Russia has made any official pronouncements, and their current rockets are too small for the task.

The nascent private space industry, which has yet to send anyone into orbit, does not seem likely to head to the Moon, either, with no obvious profit windfall to offset the billions of dollars in cost. "The idea that a private investor can put together the funds to develop rockets capable of a lunar mission is extremely speculative, verging on fantasy," said John Logsdon, chairman of space history at the National Air and Space Museum.

What is perhaps more likely is that the Moon program will, like the International Space Station, become a combined effort of multiple nations.

At the first public meeting of the panel reviewing NASA's human spaceflight program, Gen. Anatoly N. Perminov, the head of Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, said by telephone, "Roscosmos supports the necessity of involving technical and scientific potential of other countries for such large-scale projects," including sending astronauts to the Moon and Mars.

NASA has named its next-generation space transportation system the Constellation program. The first two pieces of Constellation the Ares I rocket with an Orion crew capsule are to take astronauts to the International Space Station beginning in 2015.

Two additional pieces are needed for the trip to the Moon: the Ares V, a behemoth "heavy lifter" rocket, and the Altair lunar lander, for getting the astronauts down to the Moon's surface.

At first glance, the Ares V looks more or less like the Saturn V from the Apollo era, and the Altair looks like a fashion update with a rounder, more modern aesthetic of the lander that carried Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to the Sea of Tranquillity.

"Physics and engineering drive a lot of the designs," Dr. Olson said, explaining the similarities.

Then there are the differences. The Ares V is to be just a tad taller than the Saturn V 381 feet versus 363 feet. But the Ares V will be able to send about 140,000 pounds on a journey to the Moon, or 40 percent more than the Saturn V.

The Ares V, unlike the Saturn V, will not carry astronauts as it lifts off. Following the recommendations of panel that investigated the loss of the space shuttle Columbia, the Constellation program puts crew and cargo on separate rockets to improve astronaut safety. While most of the spacecraft hardware the Altair lander and the Earth departure stage goes up on the Ares V, a crew of four astronauts will launch in an Orion capsule on top of an Ares I.

In Earth orbit, the Orion capsule will dock with the components sent up by the Ares V, and the combined spacecraft will then head to the Moon.

On Apollo 11, Michael Collins had to sit by himself circling the Moon in the command module while his two companions went to the surface in the lander. For the next Moon missions, all four astronauts are to head to the surface, while the Orion capsule, empty, takes care of itself.

That means the Altair lander must be much larger than the Apollo-era lander, both to carry the additional astronauts and supplies and to be able to reach more parts of the Moon. The advances in technology could also enable cargo versions of the Altair without astronauts to bring modular components of an outpost as well as R.V.-size rovers.

The rover concept calls for a fully pressurized cabin in which the astronauts can work in short sleeves. For sorties lasting a week or so, the astronauts would be essentially living out of their car. "Call it a 'Luna-bago' of sorts!" Dr. Olson said. The spacesuits would actually be stored outside the rover, and the astronauts would be able to jump into them via openings in the back, enabling them to go from inside to outside in 10 minutes.

"It's a total game changer," Dr. Olson said.

But the federal budget proposed by President Obama would not pay for that, certainly not before 2020. After increases in the current year and for fiscal year 2010, Mr. Obama's proposed spending on human exploration in years 2011 through 2013 was several billion dollars less than what President Bush proposed last year. That essentially cut the money to turn the Altair and the Ares V from paper concepts to detailed designs and real spacecraft.

"No bucks, no Buck Rogers," Dr. Olson said.

But the hope of many inside and outside NASA is that the Obama administration's budget levels are just placeholders pending the recommendations of the panel reviewing the agency's human space program. Its report is expected by the end of August.

The panel is looking at alternatives to Ares I and Ares V, like adapting existing rockets like the Delta IV for NASA's astronaut needs.

Posted by: Soderman/NLSI Staff
Source: KENNETH CHANG/New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/science/space/14future.html
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so it sounds to me that the future holds a world space agency with funded from tax payers and private corperations i wonder what the companies will get in return?
telecaster
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#163 | Posted: 18 Aug 2009 23:18
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Isn`t it disgusting that all this money is planned for
these missions and there are ppl suffering on the
Earth for the want of a loaf of bread ?
We got our priorities wrong.
Sorry....... they have !
T.
Dave Hall
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#164 | Posted: 20 Aug 2009 20:45
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Interesting site, should keep you quiet for a while !!
D.
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telecaster
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#165 | Posted: 3 Sep 2009 22:27
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9/9/9 coming to your town next week.
Don`t miss it !
T.
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