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CTRILEY
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#16 | Posted: 4 Jun 2009 12:01 | Edited by: CTRILEY
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Dave Hall:
As Richard says ancient cultures knew more about the universe, than is logically possible for those times.
It seems to me that they were given knowledge by someone else.

The culture of each nation on this planet is a composite of those cultures, races and civilians whuch that nation and race has encountered. Logically the same applies to other races and civlisations throughout the Galaxy.

Therefore knowledge is passed on from one race and civilisation to another as the consequence of contact and interaction. This knowledge is added to and improved on, before being passed on again and process is repeated, again and again until is surpasses all recognition from the original.

The universe in 13 billion or so years old and since civilations rise and fall, then it is likely that some of the knowledge (how to acheive intersteller travel for example) may have originated with some long forgotten race who died out billions of years ago.
vsvbg
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#17 | Posted: 4 Jun 2009 13:46
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Thanks for your oppinions guys.But as I dig deeper,I can still find some fact's how the illuminati has been telling us the "other truth" for other historical events,and what they've learned from atient civilisations.
We all know that what they telling is just a dust in the wind,they have all the money in the world,so they can buy almost ANY scientist working for them,if not,they can force him,and reveal only what is the tip of the iceberg,or come up with some false story.
My point is (now you may think I'm totally nuts but...),have some of you personally studied the Mayan culture,for example? Or you've been told how some scientist (you don't know personally) discovered something,but announsed by third person? I hope get where I'm goin',I'm looking for root's.
I know you may think I'm desperate for some medicine or psycotherapyst now,but there is still worth a chance to think this way time to time,so we can be more cautious about what gets into our brains.
I'm sure there was a great whisdom and knollege about universe in our aint,but unfortunately most of it was hidden from us,and those who have it all,use it against us.
In conclusion,I'll beg for a really big global cataclism in 2012,I'm not afraid,it would be a sight that litteraly worth dying for,so we and all evil can be all wiped out from the face of the earth,and started all over again from single-cell,and hope that we won't screw it next time.
CTRILEY
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#18 | Posted: 4 Jun 2009 19:36 | Edited by: CTRILEY
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One thing I suspect as an "other truth" is the war in heaven.

Although evil as a concept is recognized around the world. According to official version the idea of the Devil originated around 1200 BC with the beliefs of Zoroastrianism and were introduced to the Israelites during their years of enslavement in ancient Babylon (between 586 and 536 BC). According to this truth "The War in Heaven" was created to explain the origins of the Devil and how he and follows, rebelled against God, were defeated were sent to Hell. If this is the case that how come the "primordial conflict myth" which is the term used to describe the fight between the divine and the demonic predates the existence of the devil and demons as physical beings?

What I'm getting at is what if the "War in Heaven" was a real space battle which the ancestors of the human race saw going on in the night sky and in some part on the ground? The only way to oppress they memory and hide the existence of aliens, would be to make it into a metaphor of a spiritual battle between Gods and demons who exist in the abstract?

Put it another way, Lords of the Rings was written a pseudo mythology in which 90% of it is a composite of genuine Germanic and Celtic myths. Since it taps into genuine mythology it has the feel of a genuine myth. Although Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica are both fictional, is the success of both somehow down to both films tapping into deeply repressed memories of a real conflict in space?

If the world is control by shape changing reptiles who have been living on this planet for thousands of how did the get hear? Did they choose to be here or were they trapped hear?
dark star
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#19 | Posted: 4 Jun 2009 19:54
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I,m quite exited regards 2012, I can honestly say I,m glad to be living in this time. Whatever may or may not happen its fun to speculate.The human race needs a good kick up the arse and with any luck will get one!
I,ve lived through several " end time dates " all have come and gone, but there,s something more to 2012, too much data from varied sources not just Mayan.
A thought I,d like to share with you all...... many millions of people depend on modern technology for their survival i.e... food, water,shelter and health care. Areas of dense population are death traps. Who knows what may happen, but I,m not going to rely on any government to save my bacon!! My experiences in life have taught me that a small dose of paranoier is,nt a bad thing
{sorry about my poor spelling}
vsvbg your english good enough
telecaster
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#20 | Posted: 5 Jun 2009 12:37
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Who`s to say that the dinosaurs weren`t wiped out
or deleted by an alien intelligence !
Strange that the underwater dinos went at the same time.
T.
CTRILEY
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#21 | Posted: 5 Jun 2009 13:31 | Edited by: CTRILEY
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telecaster:
Who`s to say that the dinosaurs weren`t wiped out

Actually they didn't. Many of them evolved into birds, whilst last year they found the T-Rex shared the same DNA with chickens. Raptors were much smaller than they appear in Jurrasic Park and are closely linked to Turkeys.

Whilst many of the underwater dinos survived, including sharks, whales, alligators, crocodiles. But those how become extinct (such as trilobites) did so because they couldn't adjust to rapid changes within their environment.

Eqaully remember there is an alien of reptiles who claim to have originated from Earth, but
consider human as squatters. They could be descended from surviving dinosaurs who evolved and developed inteligence (which is why unlike humans they don't wear digital watches).
dark star
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#22 | Posted: 5 Jun 2009 14:29
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Why on earth would Bill Gates invest a fortune in a blast proof bunker come seed bank and store every known seed on the planet? Or is the answer obvious?
monkeyboy
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#23 | Posted: 5 Jun 2009 20:37
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CTRILEY:
Actually they didn't. Many of them evolved into birds, whilst last year they found the T-Rex shared the same DNA with chickens. Raptors were much smaller than they appear in Jurrasic Park and are closely linked to Turkeys.

Whilst many of the underwater dinos survived, including sharks, whales, alligators, crocodiles. But those how become extinct (such as trilobites) did so because they couldn't adjust to rapid changes within their environment.
Eqaully remember there is an alien of reptiles who claim to have originated from Earth, but
consider human as squatters. They could be descended from surviving dinosaurs who evolved and developed inteligence (which is why unlike humans they don't wear digital watches).

This collection of thousands engraved stones found on the site of Ica in Peru - 30 kilometres from the famous lines of Nazca . This collection was gathered in 1930 by Dr. Cabrera. It shows in particular the humans cohabiting with dinosaurs ! In spite of its very surprising character this discovery is hardly questionable when we know this case. However, and in spite of Dr. Cabrera invitation, no scientist didn't move to study the few 100 000 existing stones in a cave.

http://www.salvation-of-humans.com/English/06-02_ancient_past.htm
monkeyboy
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#24 | Posted: 5 Jun 2009 20:43
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dark star:
Why on earth would Bill Gates invest a fortune in a blast proof bunker come seed bank and store every known seed on the planet? Or is the answer obvious?

you mean iron mountain i have no idea why a person would need such a place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aou6c2MOmg
CTRILEY
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#25 | Posted: 5 Jun 2009 23:14 | Edited by: CTRILEY
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Firstly, with respect your information is wrong. Dr. Javier Cabrera was born in 1924 and died of cancer in December 2001. Which means that he couldn't have found the stones in the 1930's. In 1996 he did put them on exhibtion but they like Von Daniken's stones are considered fakes as part of a hoax.

During the late 1970s Erich Von Daniken claimed to have found engraved stones near the lines of Nazca showing those who mad ethe Nazca lines could perform brain and heart surgery. When was selling them 50 each. The BBC bought one had it sent for carbon dating at Oxford Uni. They found it had no carbon date which meant it had been made within the last 50 years. When confronted with the evidence Erich Von Daniken was forced on camera to admit that he had paid a local man to carve imgaes from a medical onto the stones. These stones were then forced down the mouth of a donkey, where the proccess of disgestiion meant that when they can out the other end, the stones looked aged.

The Crystal skull found by Mr. F. A. Mitchell-Hedges was in fact made by a 19th artist as a novelty, but during a house clearence put it up for auction at Sotheby's as part of the Sidney Burney collection. According to Sothebys auction records it was bought by Mr. F. A. Mitchell-Hedges who in 1940 claimed that to have discovered them during a South American dig.

If you want to know about the Nazca lines, do what Erich Von Daniken didn't. Do some research. The lines all point to water reserves and symbolise a plea to the gods to send rain. Whilst to understand the meaning of the animals simply go to the nearest village and ask a shamen. He'll tell to you it's a map of the universe as seen trhough a shamanic trance.

With deepest respect to all. Always remember never take things at face value even when it supports your beliefs and opinions. Bad research and fake evidence destroys credibility of argument.
monkeyboy
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#26 | Posted: 6 Jun 2009 00:03
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CTRILEY:
Firstly, with respect your information is wrong. Dr. Javier Cabrera was born in 1924 and died of cancer in December 2001. Which means that he couldn't have found the stones in the 1930's. In 1996 he did put them on exhibtion but they like Von Daniken's stones are considered fakes as part of a hoax.

During the late 1970s Erich Von Daniken claimed to have found engraved stones near the lines of Nazca showing those who mad ethe Nazca lines could perform brain and heart surgery. When was selling them 50 each. The BBC bought one had it sent for carbon dating at Oxford Uni. They found it had no carbon date which meant it had been made within the last 50 years. When confronted with the evidence Erich Von Daniken was forced on camera to admit that he had paid a local man to carve imgaes from a medical onto the stones. These stones were then forced down the mouth of a donkey, where the proccess of disgestiion meant that when they can out the other end, the stones looked aged.

The Crystal skull found by Mr. F. A. Mitchell-Hedges was in fact made by a 19th artist as a novelty, but during a house clearence put it up for auction at Sotheby's as part of the Sidney Burney collection. According to Sothebys auction records it was bought by Mr. F. A. Mitchell-Hedges who in 1940 claimed that to have discovered them during a South American dig.

If you want to know about the Nazca lines, do what Erich Von Daniken didn't. Do some research. The lines all point to water reserves and symbolise a plea to the gods to send rain. Whilst to understand the meaning of the animals simply go to the nearest village and ask a shamen. He'll tell to you it's a map of the universe as seen trhough a shamanic trance.

firstly with respect it is not my information its just what i found when i was googling the info about dinosars etc(i did provide a souce for the excert) I just thought it was interesting. but sincerly thanks for the debunk you have probably saved me quite a few hours of trawling. :) as to the info you produced about the dinosours you are correct . i have done some research and found that they gmo`d a chicken with teeth.i cant recall mentioning the other info you have mentioned.i am aware of these facts but it`s always good to have a second opinion.
where money is to be made, is that what i should ask myself when debunking if so seems to be good advice cheers.
MB
CTRILEY
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#27 | Posted: 6 Jun 2009 00:17 | Edited by: CTRILEY
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You didn't mention them but I thought I would because to show that on one hand there are real researchers providing real evidence to inform and expand the mind. Whilst at the same time there are those simply out to make money no matter what.

When I was at College we had a lecture on how to research a book. We were told to find out about their authors background such as their qualifications and experince in that subject; what respected people within that field think of them? Is this persons work quoted by others and who they use as their sources?

There is a golden rule is that if you can find the same claim made by at least three respected sources, then you know that claim has some basis in fact.

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Another piece of advice was given to me by a Doctor of Geology who told me "never look at something in isolation. Always look at it in relation to its surroundings". As the explaination as to what's in front of you may be found elsewhere.

Applying this method means that the secret to the Nasca animals isn't found by looking at the stones. Shamen's will tell you the reason why, but to truly understand why you need only look up. In the Northern Hemisphere we see fewer stars than in the southern, So stories have been created around the constilations. Due to angle of rotation in South America's night sky is swamped with stars, but within the night sky are dark areas where there are few or no stars. It is these dark patches around which stories have been made, which are represented on the ground as animals, the outline of whiich would be walked by shaman, hence it reperesenting a map of the universe as seen through a shamanic trance.

When this geological rule of thumb is applied to other things say alien abductiuons, animals mutilations, UFOs seen near megaliths, etc. Then since these happen in specific areas, each incident should be also be looked at in relation to its geographic and geological environment. To see if each site also shares something else in common.
dark star
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#28 | Posted: 6 Jun 2009 00:33
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No not iron mountain.its in the far north of Norway
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#29 | Posted: 6 Jun 2009 07:06
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vsvbg:
In conclusion,I'll beg for a really big global cataclism in 2012,I'm not afraid,it would be a sight that litteraly worth dying for,so we and all evil can be all wiped out from the face of the earth,and started all over again from single-cell,and hope that we won't screw it next time.

That sounds like you're throwing in the towel. If humans have souls which live on after the body dies, would they then reside in a single cell - I don't fancy that much - No TV Burp.
dark star
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#30 | Posted: 6 Jun 2009 09:19
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Geoff Stray, who you all probably know, thinks that a shift in magnetic energy climaxing in december 2012 will open up our minds like a flower, only then do the bees arrive and we start to turn into fruit.
I,ll bet any of you a sack full of cash we are still here in december 2013 hardly noticing the change, ofcourse the person who bets against me wont be around to collect their winnings, nor I to pay it!
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