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ABDUCTION & ANIMAL/HUMAN MUTILATION

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Arrmand
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#376 | Posted: 24 Jan 2012 10:41
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dreamkatcher:
Check this out.


http://www.alienhunter.org/

Thanks for that dk, that is so interesting, it makes me think that we are nothing more than cattle to be tagged and bagged well I hope for good reasons, but I have always wondered with people who have had repeat abductions why don't the have CCTV over looking there property, If I had known I was being abducted on a regular basis it would be good to actually get a wide field angle CCTV's installed.
Sunburn
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#377 | Posted: 24 Jan 2012 11:01 | Edited by: Sunburn
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All Good info regarding AM, however, rather than trying to get more farmers to come forward, I think the more pressing matter is the lack of real resources, organisations such as the APFU have. These types of orgs simply cannot attend each and every case, and typically fuel/food/travel and accommodation costs have to come out of the investigators pockets and family time, the farmers seldom contribute anything other than the event!

Then lets not forget the time after the scene where all the data and samples are analysed, collated and some form of report / finding needs to be extrapolated.

In an ideal world It would be great if every farmer was sympathetic to the knowledge of AM, and perhaps chipped in a Direct Debit of a 1 per month to help with the investigations but without the funding, the investigations are crippled before they begin imho.
Arrmand
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#378 | Posted: 24 Jan 2012 11:20
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You hit the nail on the head there Sunburn its all to do with funding, unlike America where there is funding for the investigations, and there is no way farmers are going to contribute other than maybe let you on there land to view and take samples, I wonder if any farmer has actually charged an investigator to take a sample of any AM?

I know farmers have it hard, our local farmer who owns all the fields around me is making a loss this year due to the shit weather we had during the long dry summer, he said he had to sell one of his tractors just to put food on the table this year for the first time ever, on another note I asked him this morning if he had a chance to read the book Killers on the moor? and he said that he read the first few chapters, and found it interesting and said that he has seen mutilated animals before I asked him when was the last time? ooh about 20 odd years ago, a deer in one of the little woods dotted around the fields.
dreamkatcher
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#379 | Posted: 24 Jan 2012 12:12
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Arrmand:
I know farmers have it hard, our local farmer who owns all the fields around me is making a loss this year due to the shit weather we had during the long dry summer, he said he had to sell one of his tractors just to put food on the table this year for the first time ever,

I was always told "you'll never see a poor farmer," but that doesnt apply nowadays. My daughter's boss is a tenant farmer on a hill farm, where the fields are very rough. He has one field he keeps for hay & there's nowhere to grow any crops because of the terrain. Its only good for cattle/sheep/horses, but their food has to be supplemented a lot of the year. Even though they have championship breeding stock, especially sheep, he has to sell quite a few at the mart, or good breeding stock to other farmers (where he gets a better price) to provide hay, straw & food for the long winters there. He drives an 02 van, has older equipment, rarely goes anywhere, except he is Master of Hounds. He took over the farm when his father retired 30 years ago, & you can hear the quad at all hours of the day/night checking his stock. The Northumberland National Park say its the hardest life for anyone & life span for a farmer in those hills is 52 years. There are no young people willing to train to do the job nowadays & the Agricultural College where both my daughters qualified have had to cut their lessons from lack of interest.

Id think its similar in places like Wales & Scottish Highlands as well.

Farming subsidies arent what they used to be. My family are mostly land owners or tenants. Hardly anyone up this area grows potatoes now, & its left to the southern area for crops to be produced. All of this affects the farming community in this area. My grandson has to travel 17 miles each day to school & 17 miles back, which takes 2 buses.
He is 1 mile out of the catchment area to board. He still could board, but would cost 200pw, which is out of the question. Its not just a question of putting animals in a field & getting money back from sales. Its a back-breaking task to feed 2-3 times daily, & in winter a lot worse. Last winter they had snow drifts over 6ft. deep, & only way to feed was by JCB. Floods are common place as well. Water runs off the hills, floods fields, makes access virtually impossible. Sheep get soaked, the weight of their wool drags them down & they drown. Last winter the River Tyne froze over & sheep walked onto the snow, went through the ice & died. Some have never been found even yet. There were big losses to most farmers.

I dont really blame them for claiming insurance - when they find bodies. Its survival.

My daughter is 43 next week, & has had flu symptoms for 3 years now. Her GP has no idea why she has lost a lot of weight. She is 6'2" & a size 8. She works 7 days a week, & often called out through the night as well. In winter time, & lambing, Ive seen her legs/arms black with frostbite. None of the comfy heated pens like on Countryfile. They lamb out in the cold, wet & snow. She's worked in that line for 26 years now. My grandson at 8wks old was in a carrycot strapped onto a quad bike during lambing. I went every chance I got to look after him, but due to my mobility problems, it wasnt always possible.

It IS the survival of the fittest up here. Rant over.

dk
dreamkatcher
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#380 | Posted: 30 Jan 2012 22:45
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Weekend Edition January 30, 2012 Coast Insider Audio



The Travis Walton Encounter:

On Sunday night's program, George Knapp welcomed Travis Walton, who discussed his 1975 UFO abduction, chronicled in the book Fire in the Sky. He was joined by Steve Pierce and John Goulette, who both witnessed the event, as well as UFO abduction expert Yvonne Smith, who founded the Close Encounters Resource Organization. Smith pointed out that the Walton case is unprecedented in the annals of abduction research, since it is bolstered by numerous eyewitnesses who saw the event unfold and, subsequently, all passed polygraph tests regarding what happened. This overwhelming amount of strong evidence, she said, is why the case continues to be discussed and examined over 30 years later.

In detailing his UFO encounter, Walton explained how his perspective on the event has changed over the last three decades. "At the time, I accepted the terminology 'abduction,'" he said, since it had felt like a kidnapping. However, Walton observed, in recent years he has begun to consider a different reason for why the events unfolded. He theorized that his extremely close encounter with the ship may have injured him in such a way that the only chance for his survival was via treatment from the occupants of the craft, especially since medical help was over an hour away. "In hindsight, 35 years later, I think it probably was just an attempt to help," he mused.

Walton also recalled how he actually dealt with two types of beings during his stay aboard the craft. The first, he said, were diminutive humanoids that had large, hairless heads and huge eyes. However, he later encountered human-like beings that "looked so much like us, they could be from Earth." Since he did not see them interact with each other, Walton could not surmise who was in charge aboard the ship, but noted that the small dimensions of the craft made it look like the 'humans' were out of place there. He was mystified that in all of the accounts of his experience in the media, including the film, the human-like beings are never mentioned. He speculated that this is because the presence of these 'humans' on the ship is too disconcerting for people to discuss.

Regarding the aftermath of the abduction, Goulette remembered being hounded by a police deputy during Walton's disappearance and continually being prodded to "just tell me where the body is." Additionally, Pierce claimed that, once the abduction story became known, notorious UFO debunker Philip Klass offered him $10,000 to say that the event was a hoax. Following the media firestorm which surrounded the story, both Pierce and Goulette quickly distanced themselves from the case. To that end, Goulette expressed deep regret in not doing more over the last 30 years to help Walton defend the truth of what happened. Similarly, Pierce noted that he "ran from" the event and only began embracing his role in the historic case after his daughter saw the film and was skeptical that he was really involved in the story.




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Arrmand
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#381 | Posted: 2 Feb 2012 07:37
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/deer-dna-tests-draw-big-cat-blank-052740863.html

Thought this interesting from the point of view there are not pictures, and the only DNA they found was from a fox on the carcase but what is more important are some of the comments from the down right stupid to the Oh that's interesting and one guys recollection of actually seeing a big cat.
dreamkatcher
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#382 | Posted: 2 Feb 2012 11:56
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Arrmand:
the only DNA they found was from a fox on the carcase

I saw that on the news this morning. Not much help was it? No details of the injuries or where. I suppose it wasnt important to them. Id bet if it was near where Madonna or Royalty live, there'd be a lot of information given.
Arrmand
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#383 | Posted: 2 Feb 2012 15:33
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dreamkatcher:
Royalty live, there'd be a lot of information given.

Thats the thing would there be? if it was AM its been covered up already.
Kozmik
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#384 | Posted: 2 Feb 2012 20:00
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The whole issue of AM worries TPTB greatly, here is actual proof of something weird going on that might be of alien origin - naturally the media will play it down, ignore it or give it the "Little green men" type of angle, guaranteed to defuse the entire subject in the minds of most unthinking people. Remember how they work - mis or dis-information is par for the course, and a lie is better believed sandwiched between two truths.
dreamkatcher
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#385 | Posted: 2 Feb 2012 22:07
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Kozmik:
here is actual proof of something weird going on that might be of alien origin

IMO the small communities have probably learned to live with these matters & keep quiet (yet another form of control??) even though they dont realise it. Opening their eyes is the hard part. Theyve probably been known for many years & always had the same outcome.

Arrmand:
there are not pictures,

Arrmand:
if it was AM its been covered up already.

I wonder if the knacker-men would give out any information, as they remove carcasses from farms, unless animal born on the site then they dont have to be tagged, & can be moved without permission - usually to the Hunt kennels. Thats how it works in this area anyway. During lambing for instance, there is often a dead animal left in a field "to keep the predators away from the live animals/young lambs, etc.
abitofgreen
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#386 | Posted: 8 Feb 2012 17:53
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Some further info regarding the horse mutilations in SW UK

URL

Apparently there were five in total. There is a very interesting interview on the above link with one of the horses owners Tanya Ingram whose parents were told to get their daughter to get the details off Facebook as she was lying about it.

If anyone has access to Coast to coast radio Linda Moulton Howe did a segment on there ( on the 26th Jan i believe) where she goes into a bit more detail and includes a recorded interview with Tanya Ingram.

This is looking almost certainly like classic animal mutilation that has been recorded before... bloodless bodies, specific similar body parts removed and police and authority cover ups.

I hope Richard can maybe find out more about this and include it in one of his shows as it definitely deserves further attention here in the UK.
phil_anthropist
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#387 | Posted: 5 Mar 2012 22:37
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Watched Edge today and watched Theo interview David H Boyle, and as a result followed a few links and stumbled across this website and video.

The video is about halfway down the page.

http://www.cosmic-conspiracies.com/alienabduction.html


Any thoughts?

Phil.
Joe
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#388 | Posted: 6 Mar 2012 00:10
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phil_anthropist:
Any thoughts?

It is always hard to have any real thoughts on something like this! Any camera can be messed about with, to produce something - despite what they say to the contrary.

I could be flippant and say the entity (for which "you" can just make out) looked as if it was giving her aromatherapy treatment - it did not have to come round at night while she was trying to get to sleep!

And her body sinking into the mattress, not sure, I would have to be hiding in the wardrobe to observe the situation to give you a better answer phil_anthropist.
Kozmik
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#389 | Posted: 6 Mar 2012 17:06
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Hi. Regarding this abduction :- I've just watched the video and what struck me was that technology is often said to fail at the crucial moment when trying to record evidence of a paranormal event; although of course exceptions do exist; and if you accept the witness's explanation of what she experienced, then this would seem to be very good evidence in favour of an ET visitation and abduction. But no clear picture of the entity, as ever. The only other event like this I can recall being caught on tape was I believe a cow - mutilation somewhere in New Mexico. Just at the moment it happened [ at night ] a massive bright light "whited out" the camera and when the picture returned, the event had happened without being recorded. And now I think about it, one of Budd Hopkins's or John Mack's abductees; when they tried to record their abductions, the camera would just switch off or suddenly de-focus just at the precise moment the event occured. So the above video is interesting on different levels.
Naturally, skeptics & debunkers will find issue with it; they can't deal with the whole concept anyway, so any evidence we produce is ignored or trashed. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Don't waste time trying to convince people who say things like "I wouldn't believe it if I saw it with my own eyes," but if you do believe some UFOs are connected with the ET presence and activities, then this video is proof of something very strange and scary - it actually chills me to think about it too much - what defence can you have that would prevent them taking you when they wished??
lazyhorse
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#390 | Posted: 16 Mar 2012 22:24
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jetmanthese days the game would look and play just like that picture. i'm guessing it was a bit blocky.

joe, concerning the "nova dreamer" specs. i've heard nothing good about those "mind machines" generally. according to i forget which gnostic order, some of those devices have dual purpose circuitry. no kidding. alongside the conventional electronics are woven components and functionality operating with electromagnetic effects as yet unknown to the public, but documented long ago by the likes of maxwell and tesla. well trained electrical engineers will fail to see the other circuits because they're not looking for it. those devices will be interfering with you something rotten. one device tested was found to be a tranciever of some kind! i would get rid.

armand quote "If I had known I was being abducted on a regular basis it would be good to actually get a wide field angle CCTV's installed."

good idea, but what about non-physical abductions? it seems these things are often what is called "interdimensional" (not my language), that is, invisible to the naked eye, like ghosts, not only non-physical, but operating in other corners of the quantum fabric all around us, out of time, in the twinkle of an eye. they operate on our spiritual and astral bodies, and the back of the mind where dreams are. how do we catch that on film or some kind of record? it's beyond us right now. we need member joe's virtual dreamality goggles and recorder.

quoting dk's travis walton abduction article: "Walton also recalled how he actually dealt with two types of beings during his stay aboard the craft. The first, he said, were diminutive humanoids that had large, hairless heads and huge eyes. However, he later encountered human-like beings that "looked so much like us, they could be from Earth."".

rewind... "looked so much like us, they could be from Earth."

yes they could be from earth and they could have made the other big headed ones in a lab.
it's the simplest explanation.
could these mutilations be a propaganda "orgy of evidence" for the fake alien cover story that shrouds our own real problem with a covert advanced technocratic sociopathic elite?
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