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dark star
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#136 | Posted: 1 Feb 2011 20:44
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richunkle71:
Sorry about that Ken,don't know where I got Norman from, was he an MP!!

If i said 'Mr Grimsdale' would that jog your memory ?
Foss
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#137 | Posted: 1 Mar 2011 14:24
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richunkle71:
or,potential contactees visit said forum after viewing a sensible show, and they are confronted with the unbelievable delusional ramblings of a bloke called starseed accusing people of being mentally ill because they cant produce some physical evidence of there experiance and bullying people off the forum They may well wonder what is going on ....indeed they may.

richuncle71

Thans for your support, how sad I pity them.

THE DEBUNKERS

Everyone knows what the debunkers are and that they will/do, stoop to any level possible often in the situation of self denial in the fact that they know nothing about everything and everything of very little consequence, in fact of nothing, but do act and speak as if they are intellectual proficient in many subjects where as they are only repeating knowledge/information that they have gleaned from others, in the fact of to be on good and friendly terms with somebody for the purpose of picking their brain for information, so they can and do deliver the information in a speech to an audience: in an attempt to make themselves feel and appear as if they are important and intellectual.

Some debunkers can be very nice people who are succumbed at some time in their life by some unit of secret work and even beyond top secret even beyond top and even beyond that again, such as black ops, and are trained to perfection in actions and their deliverance as they converse with others, such as those who are searching desperately thirsting for information on a particular or several particular subjects of which the one searching has very little or no self attained experiences of such, but is so obsessed that they will sit in ore and take in the information like a sponge takes in water. And at a later date they will share this knowledge with others until it becomes that over bearing to the viewer or listener because it will be like being witness to loop tape. And gives the impression of desperation in trying to get the information out to the many. Like wanting to be first past the wining post.

The sadness about this is as it becomes more of an obsession and it will affect some peoples health both mentally and physically, even to the stage where they will and are night after night lying sleepless in bed so confused in an attempt understand how they cannot and have not any personal experiences other than listen to other peoples and pass them to others attempting to raise their own persona.

It can be seen how desperate and ignorant they are as they attempt to debunk other people; simply because they have come across someone or some others who are more than well versed in the same or similar subjects, even in more advance knowledge and experience wise in every respect of the said subject and other subjects; which will be alien to them. They cannot tolerate the idea that others of such expertise are many levels beyond their own abilities that sooner or later they will display their true spirit/character in their attitude by letting their façade expose their lurid mind set as they stew in their own juice expressing their true self in such a way that they simply deface themselves by their own characteristics. More so when they do so in public on the internet trying to degrade those who are beyond their intellectual? Balance. Those who debunk in this way are the ones with damaged and even broken minds whose life centres on being an antagonistic person and usually are under the influence of alcohol and something else just as bad or even worse.
Starseed
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#138 | Posted: 1 Mar 2011 16:02 | Edited by: Starseed
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Foss

Debunkers: Yes they are a pain.

Skeptics: On the other hand...

Skeptics are thinkers. Skeptics evaluate evidence, realizing that there is no absolute plane of reference on which to cling. Skeptics neither debunk nor believe--unless they are able to establish that a given phenomenon deserves to be debunked. "Belief" is not a luxury the true skeptic can afford; the mechanics of skeptical thought are rooted in probability and open-mindedness. Being a skeptic requires courage and intellectual flexibility. What looks like a neat idea may turn out to be unsubstantiated nonsense; conversely, it might be the real thing.

Huge and important difference between the two...

It is only the skeptic who is able to think rationally - truthers and debunkers both have positions to defend, and preconceptions.
Starseed
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#139 | Posted: 1 Mar 2011 16:13
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Mind you, most skeptics may not fit the dictionary term of skeptics, perhaps me included.

I think truthers and debunkers are both "skeptical", truthers are skeptical of the official 9/11 story of events, debunkers are skeptical of the truthers claims of what they think happened that day.

A true skeptic would be skeptical of both, and these are hard to find. Personal bias almost always creeps in.

Something else you need to address, when looking at this, is what quality of evidence do the parties accept. This is where the debunkers are closer to skeptics than truthers...
bluelight
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#140 | Posted: 13 Mar 2011 01:14
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Hello everyone.
Sorry if im posting this on the wrong place but I wanted to say hello as im new here.
Anyone eles from wiltshire? I have had dreams of abductions for the last 30 years.
With no-one to talk to about what was happening to me.
Has anyone seen "taken" by steven spielberg? I thought bits of it was just how I rememberd, when I used to have the dreams.
I have m.e. c.f.s. now (5years) And as i have become worse, the dreams have become less.I dont know why. Its great, I dont have them hardly at all. So I can tell myself that they were "only dreams" and not real at all.
I am new to forums and computers, so sorry again if iv posted in the wrong place.
danmitch
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#141 | Posted: 13 Mar 2011 08:43
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bluelight:
With no-one to talk to about what was happening to me.

hello bluelight
You can talk on here and yes, this is probably the right place for it...... 'contactees'
Are you looking for answers ?
Have you concluded that they were indeed " just dreams" or do you think it was real ?
Have you chrecked your skin for any ' marks' that have no reason, that you can remember, for being there ?
You can research 'scoopmarks'. These are small scoop marks usually found on the arm around the back halfway between the wrist and the elbow. Indeed, I myself have one of these accompanied by the dreams which have been with me for years. There will,however come a time after you have found out so much that you simply have to let it go and get on with your life.
I would like to offer a piece of advice which is that under no circumstances should you go to a 'back street hypnotist' connected to this subject. If you take this route then make sure you go to a reputable hypnotist ( and certainly not from popular mainstream t.v ). The other point is that if you find any area ( however small) which gives constant itching or discolour of the skin or indeed a scar ( although these are hard to find and very small if even visible at all) which may contain an implant, you should under no circumstances try to, or ask anyone to remove it. Information concerning proof of such implants can be found all over the internet, which is mostly regarding readings from certain apperatus.
I hope this has been of some help to you
Dan
SPIRAL
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#142 | Posted: 13 Mar 2011 16:54
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Hello bluelight,
Firstly I agree with what danmitch has posted above, especially going to 'experts' both about the abductions and the ME (I take it you've had all the standard blood tests etc), the sub concious is just that for a reason and stuff will come when you are ready for it, you will have to learn to listen to yourself.
I've also been plagued by 'dreams' and developed CFS about 18 years ago (mostly better now) I went through a period of excruciating migraines just prior to my physical health collapsing.
Prior to discovering Richplanet I'd no real interest in UFO's , I'd been following this forum for months before joining, as following the links posted I found myself on a massive learning curve.
It has forced me to re-evaluate a lot of things I had brushed off and ignored
There are alot of sites out there for and by abductees, the thing is ,not everyone is taken by the same 'people' and not always for the same purposes it would appear.The likelyhood is that some (esp US) are people with schizoid disorders.
But there do seem to be a lot of commonalities , amongst abductees , personaly I think they fall into 3 groups;
the examination:/tissue/eggs/sperm taken type(one off event)
the experiment, ongoing here or taken away for
the evolution , alterred genetics /shown stuff /human development(often described as spiritual)
Have you seen UFO's ? I have, I think they are trying to ready some people, its going to be an unbearable psychic shock to most people when they reveal themselves .
bluelight
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#143 | Posted: 14 Mar 2011 00:06
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Thank you for making me feel welcome!
I have had bruses,red marks like scratches and woke up loads of times sometimes in such shock that I thought I would die.
I have moved house 12 times in 5 years, but the dreams would follow me.I will never go to be regressed as if I had to relive anything that happend to me, I know I would just die.Like you say at the end of the day we just have to deal with things.Can I ask something please?
I get a high pitch sound in my head just above my ear sometimes, I have to shut my eyes and hold my head, it only last a few secconds but the pain of the noise is almost umbearable.Could this mean I have an inplant? I want to tell you about what the dentist found on my exray 5 years ago, but Im not sure if you will think I am making it up.Sorry, but I have never spoken to anyone about anything ever before.
Starseed
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#144 | Posted: 14 Mar 2011 13:23
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bluelight:
want to tell you about what the dentist found on my exray 5 years ago, but Im not sure if you will think I am making it up.Sorry, but I have never spoken to anyone about anything ever before.

Can you get a copy of the xray? you should be able to.
Kozmik
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#145 | Posted: 14 Mar 2011 21:47
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bluelight:
Thank you for making me feel welcome!

Hi, you sound to me like you have had/are having experiences of the type this forum should be all about. I have had several UFO sightings and maybe CE4 type stuff.
You are in the right place
bluelight
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#146 | Posted: 14 Mar 2011 21:47
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When the dentist told me he couldnt make out what it was(he showed me the axray) I asked if I could have it to take home to show my husband, he said no.I told my husband who went back in with me, and asked if he could see it. The manager came out and told us that they had thrown it away as the exray machine was faulty. I got upset then as it was only 20 mins since I had it done, and yet they had thrown it away.
When I went to have a crown put in a week later, I was fitted with a gold crown, and not charged (im n.h.s.)
bluelight
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#147 | Posted: 14 Mar 2011 21:52
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Sorry, I should have said that a gold crown can cost around £100 or more, and I was on bennifits at the time, yet They put this in for me for free. I did not ask for a gold one. I thought I was going to get a standerd n.h.s. crown which is free.
SPIRAL
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#148 | Posted: 14 Mar 2011 22:46 | Edited by: SPIRAL
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Kozmik, have you had a head X ray?(for any reason) do you smoke hash because of PTSD (stress/high cortisol levels) ? I'm only asking because those who have been shown, well theres normally more to it. Any one who sees UFO's (plural) is probably in 'the program'.

Bluelight, what the dentist did is common practice, David Cayton gets the same treatment when he takes mutilated animals to vets. I know its hard because the logical mind wants to dismiss some thing it cant understand.
I've found (for me) that ME is like driving a car in a blindfold and earplugs on a bendy hilly road ,where I get electricuted for every mistake I make, what I mean is that as working class northerner its pushed me to learn how to 'feel' (everthing becomes more sensitive), refine my diet ( blood sugar and alergies etc) and develop a greater awareness of myself, my enviroment and to be present to the moment .
Learning meditation can be a great help, I've bought loads of books over the years , and attended courses , but by far the best book I've come across is B.Alan Wallaces' The Attention Revolution.
I've also got an implant, It caused month long migrains at first (back of the head slightly to right), I've got an X-ray ,but it's not that clear , but I don't need to prove anything to any one if you know what I mean ,it's enough that I know, and I'm beginning to think it's not as sinister as it would seem.
The problem with your ear could be that or stress related, that is , there are muscles that run down from behind the ear to the back of the collar bone and all to readilly tighten up with stress, they can be felt and massaged with thumb and fore finger
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danmitch
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#149 | Posted: 15 Mar 2011 07:35
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bluelight:
I want to tell you about what the dentist found on my exray

What did you see on the xray ?
bluelight
Member
#150 | Posted: 15 Mar 2011 16:33
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I cant remember now what I saw on the exray.I was smoking alot of pot at the time, so maybe that was it.But like you say, it comes down to exceptance of things that we have no control of. I am very stressed most of the time,panic attacks almost every day. I gave up smoking weed 4 yrs ago as it made me paranoid and depressed.
I have never had an exray on my head, I have asked several times as I get such terrible headaches, but the Drs say no.
Like yourself spiral, if I did have an inplant I wouldent expect anyone to belive me, but I would feel angry and do my best to find out how I could poss get rid of it by myself. Im a woman yeah, and we think differnt to men. And if everything I write comes out wrong, its because im not used to writing on forums so sorry about that everyone.
I dont meditate but I do pray (is that the same thing)im not sure.
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