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Starseed
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#316 | Posted: 17 Jun 2011 08:20
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How many abductees need hypnosis to remember what happened and how many remember all details without hypnosis? I don`t know, that`s why I`m asking. Someone on this forum knows...
lastbesthope
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#317 | Posted: 17 Jun 2011 17:49
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Y`know starseed I have seen countless people make the most outrageous claims with regard to the abduction phenomenon, without a single iota of proof. Recovered memories are known by the justice system to be amongst the most unreliable evidence there is, and
for many years now evidence statements that have been acquired through hypnotic regression are considered highly suspect and are no longer used in court.
There are so many ways for these individuals to record their abductions, and yet no such (credible) evidence exists.

Many abduction believers ask " How is it that the abducted people all describe the exact same experience even though they have never met ?" They put this forward like it somehow validates the claims of these people, I believe that this in fact shows the opposite to be the case, they have read/watched/heard about these claims and give a formulaic account that mirrors all the others.

Betty and Barney Hills account of what happened to them has changed somewhat over the years, but their story has gone on to be the basic script for abduction experiences ever since it was recounted under hypnotic regression.

That said, there are some accounts of possible Alien abductions that I believe to be wholly truthful, at least the part of the story before the witnesses were hypnotised, Travis Walton is one example, another is the case that involved a group of men out on a lake fishing, I forget their names, sorry. In both these cases it seems that something quite incredible happened, but the vast, (and increasing) number of people claiming they
are visited by aliens are victims of their own fantasy world made `real` by hypnosis .

I don't for one second doubt the truthfulness of these people, its simply a lot sexier to have been taken on board a spaceship by beings from another world.

LastBestHope
Starseed
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#318 | Posted: 17 Jun 2011 18:16 | Edited by: Starseed
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Do many 'recall' the experiences without any requirement at all for hypnosis? (ever being hypnotised I mean)

If so - that is interesting. If not, that is way more interesting. Do you agree LBH?
lastbesthope
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#319 | Posted: 18 Jun 2011 20:10
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Starseed:
Do many 'recall' the experiences without any requirement at all for hypnosis? (ever being hypnotised I mean)If so - that is interesting. If not, that is way more interesting. Do you agree LBH?

I can count the times that`s been reported on the fingers of one hand, I would be much more inclined to accept first hand accounts where hypnotism was not used or needed, there are just so many problems associated with regression, for me to trust the information 100 percent.
The argument is that without hypnotic regression these recovered memories would be lost to us, better that , than give the sceptics more ammunition to throw back at us,they all use hypnotic regression as a club to beat us with, and they are right (in this matter ) .

LastBestHope
dark star
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#320 | Posted: 18 Jun 2011 21:11
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lastbesthope:
The argument is that without hypnotic regression these recovered memories would be lost to us, better that , than give the sceptics more ammunition to throw back at us,they all use hypnotic regression as a club to beat us with, and they are right (in this matter ) .

LastBestHope

I think you dealt with that auto suggestion very well indeed....
lastbesthope
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#321 | Posted: 18 Jun 2011 22:26
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Thanks ds
LastBestHope
Starseed
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#322 | Posted: 19 Jun 2011 00:17 | Edited by: Starseed
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lastbesthope:
I can count the times that`s been reported on the fingers of one hand

Any figures or links to read? I can`t find any who remember the abductions without hypnosis? There must be some?


And do you know if any have tried something like this:

"set up security camera's outside the house - close, and at a distance, zoomed in, and wide angle. I would have a view of all sides , even above. I would have a neighbour / neighbours set up cameras also. I would set many traps around the room. You could wrap double sided tape on your own body (have you tried removing that stuff?!), arms , legs, all over the floor. (it might catch their dna at least). Something would then be on record"
dark star
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#323 | Posted: 19 Jun 2011 13:34
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Starseed:
And do you know if any have tried something like this:

"set up security camera's outside the house - close, and at a distance, zoomed in, and wide angle. I would have a view of all sides , even above. I would have a neighbour / neighbours set up cameras also. I would set many traps around the room. You could wrap double sided tape on your own body (have you tried removing that stuff?!), arms , legs, all over the floor. (it might catch their dna at least). Something would then be on record"

lol.....
Starseed
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#324 | Posted: 19 Jun 2011 14:00 | Edited by: Starseed
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dark star
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#325 | Posted: 19 Jun 2011 15:15
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Starseed:
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Desdichado
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#326 | Posted: 19 Jun 2011 16:00
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dark star
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#327 | Posted: 19 Jun 2011 16:03
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Starseed
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#328 | Posted: 19 Jun 2011 16:22
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dark star
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#329 | Posted: 19 Jun 2011 16:44
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baa baa abaa baa ?
babba baa aabb baa baaa ....lol.
PoppyMeze
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#330 | Posted: 20 Jun 2011 13:34 | Edited by: PoppyMeze
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Watched Dave Hodrien's interview with RDH - interesting
Regression? Has been 'used' to validate many experiences. The same scenario in different circumstances a regressed person would believe they met an angel the devil or souls awaiting reincarnation. These may also be projected Archetypes.

I have no ultimate conclusions truth is something we continue to seek - not own - however, though I think there must be other species in space or other dimension 'today' I am more inclined to think that these experiences come from our collective unconscious to use Jung's terminology though this is now thought to be inaccurate or misused terminology it's more to do with the matrix, protons, waves and communication.

Rather than families being abducted in order for aliens to continue their genetic interference - I wonder whether it is more to do with generational tendencies towards psychological experiences and hysterical reaction hysteria is related to humour as well as fear.

Coincidentally the Virgin Mary was told by the Angel Gabriel that she was to have a baby similar terminology to Dave Hodrien's regressee. Did no one think to run a DNA test on her baby son? If we believe something so deeply it becomes a prophecy and the universe will collaborate with that and bring it about. I have a few experiences of my own in that regard. Dave H did not say whether this family had a religious belief, only that they were not especially interested in UFO's.

I had a client who had what she describes as a lucid dream she was about aged 8. So vivid she still recalls each detail over 50 years later. It was a large-headed-shortish creature rather like Mr. Potato Head strangely enough anyway it had large eyes, no mouth and appeared to have fused legs and no arms and moved by seeming to float, almost bounce in front of her.

She remembers all these years later that she was sexually abused by her father maybe my client's 'E.T' was a thrusting penis?
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