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monkeyboy
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#121 | Posted: 16 Jul 2009 18:07
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/ap_on_sc/us_sci_moon_video


NASA refurbishes video copies of moon landing
AP

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FILE - In this July 20, 1969 file photo, Astronaut Edwin E. AP – FILE - In this July 20, 1969 file photo, Astronaut Edwin E. 'Buzz' Aldrin Jr. poses for a photograph ...
By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – 49 mins ago

WASHINGTON – NASA still can't find its lost original moon landing videotapes. But that first moonwalk never looked better, thanks to new digitally refurbished copies unveiled Thursday.

The original live video was ghostlike and grainy. NASA and a Hollywood film restoration company took television video copies of what Apollo 11 beamed to Earth on July 20, 1969, and made the pictures look sharper.

The pictures themselves are not new. But some details are. Originally, Armstrong's face visor was too fuzzy to be seen. The refurbished video shows his visor and a reflection in it.

The original videos beamed to earth were stored on giant reels of tapes that contained 15 minutes of video along with 13 other channels of live data from the moon. In the 1970s and 1980s, NASA had a shortage of the tapes and erased about 200,000 of those tapes and reused them.
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#122 | Posted: 16 Jul 2009 18:19 | Edited by: monkeyboy
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8141256.stm

Europe's new space truck takes shape

By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News


atv


ATV-2 propulsion unit
The propulsion unit of Johannes Kepler is taking shape

"It's clear from space history that often it was not the prototype that experienced the problems; it was the mission that came later. That's why specific attention has to be paid to what we do now."

Nico Dettmann is in charge of producing the European Space Agency's (Esa) next space freighter.

THE ATV - THE FIRSTS
ATV (Nasa)
The ATV is the first completely automated rendezvous and docking ship to go to the ISS
The ATV is the largest and most powerful space tug going to the ISS over its mission life
It provides the largest refuelling and waste elimination capability for the space station
It is the only vehicle on the current timeline able to de-orbit the ISS when it is retired

He knows the near-flawless maiden voyage of the Automated Transfer Vehicle (ATV) last year does not mean the second flight is guaranteed to turn out the same way. Attention to detail is everything.

The follow-up ship - dubbed Johannes Kepler - is in the process of being assembled.

Its propulsion and avionics units are being prepared in Bremen, Germany. Its pressurised module which will hold the cargo - air, water, scientific equipment, food, and clothing - to be taken to the space station is being built in Turin, Italy.

The various segments should come together in September, into a single line of assembly that will lead to a launch in November 2010.

Thereafter, ATVs will fly every year for three years. The vehicle is no longer an experimental spacecraft; it is a production spacecraft. And to emphasise the point, if you walk through the cleanroom at EADS Astrium in Bremen, you can already see ATV-3 components.


atv


"The whole integration process, from the first day until launch, is 28 months. So if you want to launch every 12 months, obviously you have to produce in parallel," explained Esa's Mr Dettmann.
ATV-2 avionics bay (BBC)
The brains of ATV - its parallel computers - are inside the avionics bay

The space freighter has huge significance for Europe.

On one level, it is the "subscription" Europe must pay to be part of the International Space Station "club". If Europe can deliver about six tonnes of supplies a year to the platform, it is guaranteed six-month residencies at the ISS for its astronauts.

But ATV has also been a test of European competency. It is the biggest, most sophisticated vehicle the bloc has ever flown in space. Its automatic rendezvous and docking technology allows it to find its own way to the station and attach itself without any human intervention.


atv


The European Space Agency believes the vehicle's capabilities will feed into many other exploration activities, at the Moon, Mars and other Solar System destinations. Esa is even looking into the possibility of upgrading the robotic truck so that it can carry people - an independent European crew transportation system.

Astrium Bremen is in sole charge of manufacturing Johannes Kepler. The company's Les Mureaux plant in France had a bigger role on the previous vehicle (known as Jules Verne) but with the switch to routine production, it was felt the lines of responsibility should be simplified.

"In the past, we had one organisation dedicated to development and one to production. At the end of Jules Verne, it was decided to have just one organisation in order to have maximum consistency going forward," said Astrium's ATV project manager, Olivier de la Bourdonnaye.

"All of what we did on the Jules Verne adventure belonged to the development of ATV; and it finished a couple of months ago with the post flight analysis."

Watch Jules Verne's destructive re-entry

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7644111.stm


Germany carries about 50% of the production effort; and all the sub-contractors - including Europe's other major space concern, Thales Alenia Space - are reporting direct to the German centre.

Very little is having to be changed on ATV-2, such was the success of Jules Verne.

There were only two significant hardware issues.

One, early in the flight, saw the vehicle's propulsion system switch to a back-up chain when anomalous pressures were detected in the complex network of pipes and valves that feed the engines. The other saw a segment of thermal blanket on the exterior of the craft lift away from its Velcro fittings.

Neither event affected the mission and should be easily remedied on Johannes Kepler.
Intergrated Cargo Carrier (BBC)
The pressurised cargo module is being prepared by Thales in Turin

Perhaps more significant was the slight mismatch that occurred in the advanced GPS systems used on ATV and the Russian Zvezda module on the ISS to align the vehicles prior to docking. Had the discrepancy been more serious, Jules Verne could have been triggered into aborting its approach to the platform.

It wasn't - and a software correction on the Russian side should fix this issue before Johannes Kepler arrives in 2010.


atv


The ship will be heavier this time - by some 600kg. This will take it over 20 tonnes, making its launch the heaviest payload in the history of Esa missions.

The supplies ATV-2 carries will be gratefully received: with six permanent residents now living on the platform, Europe's logistics effort is paramount (the US shuttle should be close to retirement by November 2010).

Its role in boosting the ISS will be significant, also. With no shuttle visiting the station, the ATV's power will be needed to lift the platform higher into the sky to avoid the drag from residual air molecules at the top of the atmosphere.

"We're supposed to lift the station significantly because after the shuttle retirement the ISS will raise its average altitude from 330-350km to almost 400km to produce less drag," said Mr Dettmann.

"Today the ISS altitude is linked - let's say - to low shuttle performance. After shuttle is gone, ISS can fly higher but ATV will have to deliver a major part of that altitude increase."

atv-iss
monkeyboy
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#123 | Posted: 16 Jul 2009 23:46 | Edited by: monkeyboy
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WTF!!!!! is our job not hard enough what is all this about then?

all i can say is if this is the way they are preparing for disclosure they were ill advised ??:(??

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4497737.Sussex_teacher__abducted_by_aliens_in_UFO_/


Sussex teacher 'abducted by aliens in UFO'

5:31pm Thursday 16th July 2009


Pupils were terrified after a school staged an alien crash landing which ended with a teacher being 'abducted'.

Children aged between seven and 11 at Southway Junior School in Southway, Burgess Hill, watched in horror as a 'spaceship' crashed near their school and aliens grabbed a member of staff.

The 'alien invasion' show, which was supported by Sussex police, took place without parents being informed, leaving some angry that they had to comfort their children.

The event, held on Friday, was designed to 'develop youngsters' writing skills' and fire their imagination - but some children were left traumatised by the show.

Southway School has admitted that a number of parents complained after their children returned home in a 'state of shock'.

Youngsters had to be reassured that the abducted member of staff was safe and well after he was carted off by the 'aliens'.

Police contributed to the invasion by providing sirens and flashing blue lights to signify the landing of the craft just before morning classes.

Headteacher Diana Goss informed pupils that an alien craft had crashed near the school and pupils were encouraged to 'follow a trail of debris' before stumbling across the UFO.

A member of staff was then abducted by 'aliens' before the kids were sent back to class.

In a statement from Southway School it was confirmed that some children were upset by the 'realism' of the 'alien invasion'.

It read: "At the end of the afternoon the 'missing' member of staff joined the children at assembly where their accounts, poems, posters and reports were shared with the whole school.

"Parent Governor Richard Webb, who was in school that day, commented that many children had reported that it was 'the best day in school, ever. ' "Following the day, a few parents expressed concerns that some of the children had been upset by the apparent realism, and the headteacher has spoken with them personally.

"Others praised the day for its community links, the imaginative approach and the huge element of 'fun'. One parent commented that the entire school 'buzzed with the excitement' and the fact that 'the wider community came together to set up a real once in a lifetime event for our children was just fantastic.

"The school would never knowingly do anything to upset or alarm children."

The project was part of the Everybody Writes scheme, which is funded by the Department for Children, Schools and Families.
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#124 | Posted: 17 Jul 2009 09:24
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Oh dear !
T.
monkeyboy
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#125 | Posted: 18 Jul 2009 19:56
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http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m7d18-Walter-Cronki te-saw-UFO-destroy-a-US-missile

Walter Cronkite saw UFO destroy a U.S. missile

Walter Cronkite
Walter Cronkite: Photo & Graphics: AP

In 1973, Walter Cronkite was working on a CBS story involving UFOs. He interviewed leading UFO researchers to find material and stories about incidents for the special. The most remarkable story however was not covered. That was Cronkite's own UFO experience during the 1950s when covering a U.S. missile launch in the Pacific.

Bill Knell in 1973 was only beginning his career in UFO research. He relates how during his interview by Cronkite for the CBS special, Cronkite shared his own UFO experience. Knell explained that Cronkite and the other reporters covering the missile test were not allowed to take photos or audio. Reporters could only write about the test. There would be no photographic or audio record of the surprising event that would happen. Knell writes:

As Air Force Security personnel walked around the perimeter of the test area with guard dogs and the news reporters watched, the missile was fired-up and about to be released. Just then, a large disc-type UFO appeared on the scene.

Cronkite guessed that the object was about 50-60 feet in diameter, a dull grey color and had no visible means of propulsion. Because the noise of activity around him and the missile engine was so loud, he couldn't tell whether the disc made any noise. He did not notice any coming directly from the object.

As Air Force guards ran toward the UFO with their dogs, the disc hovered about 30 feet off of the ground. It suddenly sent out a blue beam of light which struck the missile, a guard and a dog all at the same time. The missile was frozen in mid-air about 70 feet from the launcher as it had taken off. A guard was frozen in mid-step and a dog frozen in mid-air as it had jumped at the disc. Cronkite reminded me that this all happened within the space of about five minutes or less.

Suddenly, the missile exploded! After that, the disc vanished. The guard and dog looked alright, but were quickly taken away by medical personnel always present at tests in case anyone became injured. At the same time, guards rapidly ushered the reporters into a concrete observation bunker.

About thirty minutes after the incident an Air Force Colonel debriefed Cronkite and the other reporters. Knell continues:

The officer told them, "It was all part of the test." Obviously making it up as he went along, the Colonel said that the event was "staged" to test media reaction to UFOs. He reinforced the usual line to the reporters that Flying Saucers were probably not extra-terrestrial, but what people were actually seeing was secret planes being tested by the Air Force. This test was designed to show the media how "shocking" it could be to suddenly view a new technology. Well, Cronkite was certain that what he viewed was a new technology, but he was also sure it was not an Earthly one! He didn't believe the Air Force explanation then, and he still didn't believe it at the time when he told me the story.



Cronkite's experience was not the only time a UFO had been witnessed destroying or disabling a missile. In 1964, Professor Robert Jacobs served as a Lieutenant with the U.S. Air Force and was stationed at Vandenberg Air Force base. He was responsible for filming the test of an Atlas missile. He captured on film the following incident:

"...we were testing ballistic missiles that were to deliver nuclear weapons on target...my duty [was] to supervise the instrumentation photography of every missile that went down in that western test range...and into the frame came something else. It flew into the frame and shot a beam of light at the warhead. Now remember, all this stuff is flying at several thousand miles an hour. So this thing [UFO] fires a beam of light at the warhead, hits it and then it [the UFO] moves to the other side and fires another beam of light, then moves again and fires another beam of light, then goes down and fires another beam of light, and then flies out the way it came in. And the warhead tumbles out of space. The object, the points of light that we saw, the warhead and so forth, were traveling through subspace about 60 miles straight up. And they were going somewhere in the neighborhood of 11,000 to 14,000 miles an hour when this UFO caught up to them, flew in, flew around them, and flew back out.

Jacobs experience along with other incidents of UFOs interfering with nuclear missiles and facilities is covered in a book by Robert Hastings, UFOs and Nukes.

Cronkite ultimately choose not to include his own UFO experience in his 1973 CBS Special. While Cronkite told a few friends and researchers about the UFO incident, he never made a public statement about it. Cronkite's passing away on July 17, 2009 will be mourned by many. Something else to mourn is that he took to the grave perhaps one of the most remarkable UFO incidents ever witnessed by a U.S. reporter.
For more info: "Obama's zero nuclear weapons speech & extraterrestrial UFOs
55th anniversary of Eisenhower nuclear diplomacy with ET?
Divine Strake" vs. 'Divine Strike' – Did Extraterrestrials Deter the Pentagon from a Preemptive Nuclear War Against Iran?
Exposing U.S. Government Policies: The Challenge of Exopoltics (Exopolitics Institute, 2009)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4yMDsOjISU&feature=player_embedded
dark star
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#126 | Posted: 18 Jul 2009 20:37
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monkeyboy:
!!!!! is our job not hard enough what is all this about then?

all i can say is if this is the way they are preparing for disclosure they were ill advised ??:(??

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4497737.Sussex_teacher__abducted_by_aliens_in_UFO_/


Sussex teacher 'abducted by aliens in UFO'

5:31pm Thursday 16th July 2009


Pupils were terrified after a school staged an alien crash landing which ended with a teacher being 'abducted'.

Children aged between seven and 11 at Southway Junior School in Southway, Burgess Hill, watched in horror as a 'spaceship' crashed near their school and aliens grabbed a member of staff.

The 'alien invasion' show, which was supported by Sussex police, took place without parents being informed, leaving some angry that they had to comfort their children.

The event, held on Friday, was designed to 'develop youngsters' writing skills' and fire their imagination - but some children were left traumatised by the show.

Southway School has admitted that a number of parents complained after their children returned home in a 'state of shock'.

Youngsters had to be reassured that the abducted member of staff was safe and well after he was carted off by the 'aliens'.

Police contributed to the invasion by providing sirens and flashing blue lights to signify the landing of the craft just before morning classes.

Headteacher Diana Goss informed pupils that an alien craft had crashed near the school and pupils were encouraged to 'follow a trail of debris' before stumbling across the UFO.

A member of staff was then abducted by 'aliens' before the kids were sent back to class.

In a statement from Southway School it was confirmed that some children were upset by the 'realism' of the 'alien invasion'.

It read: "At the end of the afternoon the 'missing' member of staff joined the children at assembly where their accounts, poems, posters and reports were shared with the whole school.

"Parent Governor Richard Webb, who was in school that day, commented that many children had reported that it was 'the best day in school, ever. ' "Following the day, a few parents expressed concerns that some of the children had been upset by the apparent realism, and the headteacher has spoken with them personally.

"Others praised the day for its community links, the imaginative approach and the huge element of 'fun'. One parent commented that the entire school 'buzzed with the excitement' and

A great idea for " you,ve been framed" or "candid camera"
monkeyboy
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#127 | Posted: 18 Jul 2009 21:23 | Edited by: monkeyboy
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dark star:
A great idea for " you,ve been framed" or "candid camera"

but not for a school full of children?
monkeyboy
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#128 | Posted: 22 Jul 2009 17:50
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20090722/bs_prweb/prweb2660944_1

The World Meets in Barcelona -- A European Extraterrestrial World Summit
PRWeb


Wed Jul 22, 3:01 am ET

European Union and G8 Countries to hold Extraterrestrial Summit in Spain. Barcelona, Spain will host the first international summit on Exopolitics - the disclosure of facts and events attesting to governmental knowledge of and the reality related to the UFO phenomenon and the Extraterrestrial presence engaging the planet.

Toronto, Canada (PRWEB) July 22, 2009 -- France, Spain, Germany, Canada, Denmark, the USA, the United Kingdom and Italy will participate in the first European Exopolitics Summit on disclosing to the world the reality of the presence of extraterrestrials and how governments of the world have denied this information to its citizens.

The Summit, sponsored by Exopolitics Spain to be held in Barcelona July 25 and 26 at the Hotel Meliá Stiges, is set to present proof of extraterrestrial interaction and will also analyze its profound implications to an audience of 1,380 registered attendees and over 200 members of the international press.

Summit co-producer Pepón Jover in a statement indicates, "Society is prepared to know that we are not alone in the Universe. We are far from those years when people used to fear the mere mention of the word 'extraterrestrial'."

Businessman Miguel Celades, the Summit's other co-producer sees the summit as a great opportunity to evaluate the possibilities of derived [ET technologies such as free energy and antigravity propulsion.

Producers Jover and Celades seem to have the goods to back up their claims. They are counting on dignitaries, researchers and former high security clearance U.S. military like NATO Allied Command Master Sergeant Major Robert O. Dean to present irrefutable evidence that NATO produced a compelling secret document verifying the existence of the UFO phenomenon. (See Media Kit below)

According to all records Dean's credentials are impeccable. Dean served in the Intelligence Field Operations and was stationed at Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (S.H.A.P.E.), the military arm of NATO.

According to Dean's bio, this retired Command Sergeant Major tells a story that skillfully presents an astonishing and convincing message: that we are not alone on this planet and never have been.

Dean, one of the few holders of first-hand knowledge about government involvement with alien life, recounts the contents of the 1964 report called "an Assessment," the NATO military study that acknowledged and analyzed the implications of the alien presence here on Earth. Dean contends that this is indeed the greatest story in the history of mankind.

If Dean's evidence alone is verifiable, along with the weight of the research from the Summit's other speakers, this European Exopolitics Summit will take world news by storm and conceivably challenge governments to respond to what appears to be irrefutable proof that we are not alone on this planet and never have been.

This communiqué has been sent to the Washington Press Corps for comment.

Media Kit:
Exopolitics Summit Video Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go4QDWjby2I

Robert O. Dean Profiled:
http://www.exopoliticseurope.com/en/ponentes/bob-dean-exopolitics-summit.htm

Complete Speaker List:
www.exopoliticseurope.com/en/exopolitics-congress-2009.htm

Contact Event Co-ordinators:
http://www.exopoliticseurope.com/en/contact-exopolitics-summit.htm

Exopolitics Spain - Host of Summit 2009:
http://www.exopoliticseurope.com

NOTE: ZlandCommunications has direct access to Summit speakers and coordinators and will be following events leading up to the Summit and its progress. Journalists wishing to access speakers or Summit coordinators for exclusive interviews or information are encourage to contact ZlandCommunications.
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#129 | Posted: 23 Jul 2009 14:10
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http://www.barackobamaufo.com/?p=975

The Ruskies are disclosing.......a bit !
T.
CTRILEY
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#130 | Posted: 23 Jul 2009 14:46 | Edited by: CTRILEY
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Strange how the majority of the Russian sightings were in the Bermuda triangle, Barry Manilow didn't mention that one (who is probably an alien, how else would you explain the size of his nose?)
CTRILEY
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#131 | Posted: 25 Jul 2009 16:56
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I'm presently watching a Drama Documentary called "Moonshot: The Flight of Apollo 11", which is an official retelling of the Lunar landing. Anyhow within it there's a sconce in which the crew see a UFO and check with NASA that it's not a section of their ship which had jettisoned and followed their orbit. Could such a reference within an official version, broadcast during primetime, be part of preparations towards disclosure?
monkeyboy
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#132 | Posted: 26 Jul 2009 21:28 | Edited by: monkeyboy
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CTRILEY:
I'm presently watching a Drama Documentary called "Moonshot: The Flight of Apollo 11", which is an official retelling of the Lunar landing. Anyhow within it there's a sconce in which the crew see a UFO and check with NASA that it's not a section of their ship which had jettisoned and followed their orbit. Could such a reference within an official version, broadcast during primetime, be part of preparations towards disclosure?

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interview with buzz aldrin listen at 30 sec where is S-IVB to us answer 6000 nautical miles why wonder where part four of the rocket is if they were on the way to the moon this was two days into the mission they should have been past the half way mark buzz also admits they were told to keep it quiet
monkeyboy
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#133 | Posted: 26 Jul 2009 22:55
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monkeyboy
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#134 | Posted: 27 Jul 2009 00:52 | Edited by: monkeyboy
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http://www.allnewsweb.com/page7937931.php

UFO disclosure: America starts the process
Michael Cohen m.cohen@allnewsweb.com
Beneath the fabric of American society a secret exists, a very big secret. Only a relative few are aware of this secret. This secret has the power to change the face of human civilization forever and therefore great steps are taken to keep as few people from knowing about it. However the keepers of this information realise that they can't keep its details hidden from the public forever.
I have been investigating this topic for many years now and have utilised what I believe totally novel methods for getting to the bottom of this. I don't profess to know the whole story by any means but I think I have gained some understanding of the basics. Here they are:
· Earth lies within the territory and sphere of influence of an alien civilization which is based in Andromeda Galaxy.
· These aliens enter earth's atmosphere from time to time and have done so, on occasion, for thousands of years.
· Our civilization has been subtly influenced by these roughly humanoid beings and we are probably some form of offshoot of them. They have influenced our moral values through religion and helped our forefathers embark on the road to technological society.
· There are other civilizations and planets containing life in the Milky Way as well.
· The aliens are referred to as 'Axthadans'.
Many ask the question: Why is this information so secret?
The answer is obvious. Human beings and in particular Western Europeans are used to being the masters of their domain. The news that we are a small, rather insignificant group located within the realms of another much more advanced civilization will be ego-crushing for humanity as whole and particularly devastating for the Western Nations.
Another issue: The era of European colonization has led Westerners to believe that the chance to explore space is theirs by right. As they got the chance to explore the new world they will get the chance to open up the galaxy for their descendants. They won't, not exactly. At best humanity can expect to be shown what others have explored. Only a very few civilizations get the opportunity to become space pioneers.
This can illustrated mathematically using the Drake equation. Put simply odds are that a much more advanced race exists somewhere in the universe and in that event they would have mapped it all out depriving us of the chance.
Even the Axthadans are not masters of the universe but merely the custodians of a specific territory. The Roswell hoax rooted in outdated riveted-sheet-metal UFO notions hides the secret too. It implies that aliens from this galaxy like us are taking baby-steps exploring new worlds just as we might soon. There will be no accidental stumbling on other ETs looking for us too: there can't be.
It's like suggesting that uncontacted peoples in the Amazon might independently stumble upon uncontacted peoples in Irian Jaya. It cannot happen.
It is more a case of ETs revealing themselves when they think the time has come.
So for good reason the United States Government conceals this secret from us. However it seems as if ET has decided the time has come and the reasons are fairly obvious when one ponders these issues.
ET might have watched us develop technology for ourselves and explore our own planet but to 'sit back' and allow us to believe that we are exploring uncharted territory in space when we are not is where the game ends. In this era humanity does look to the skies as the 'last frontier'.
ET has also realised that human beings are probably a very third-rate group not likely to contribute much hereon. In space we might only cause trouble. Watching us create the wheel, the computer and the like was fun. ET was prepared to indulge our egos in that respect. It is clearly obvious that the Western culture that dominates this planet is one of exploitation and selfishness so it might as well be time to knock us of our perch.
Faced with this scenario the US realises it better prepare humanity for the UFO truth. Baby-steps are now being taken. Buzz Aldrin's recent comments on the Monolith on the Martian Moon (video below) are part of a slow and drawn-out but well orchestrated UFO disclosure process designed to prepare its citizens for the eventual reality. The United States is committed to making sure that it plays at least some role in a new galactic reality. Perhaps it can even retain some of its past stature.
In this new reality humanity will contract as its vitality is drained in light of the massive demotion it receives. Some humans will survive, adapt and play a part in this new world. Will you be amongst them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws&feature=player_embedded
dark star
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#135 | Posted: 27 Jul 2009 19:41 | Edited by: dark star
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Is it possible 20 12 is the RV date??
I like this post MB....cheers.
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