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telecaster
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#436 | Posted: 12 May 2010 18:21
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It`s hard to be positive in a democracy like ours Starseed !
T.
boloxum
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#437 | Posted: 12 May 2010 19:41
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Starseed
boloxum
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#438 | Posted: 12 May 2010 20:00
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Starseed
I saw HAWKINS program on sky. I mean no disrespect to Him or anyone else but it was a regurgitation of CARL SAGAN. I do understand that a T.V. prog. must be interesting and enticing but I believe it was aimed at the low brow and was educational for many.
I came away with the feeling that there was too many commercial breaks! I think that SKY may be slowly turning toward factual truthfullness in their program conclusions, unlike HORIZON/ NAT.GEOGRAPHIC. THERE-AGAIN, I could be falling into a false sense of security propagated by very clever producers, who are controlled by highly enpowered individuals acting on behalf of the Bilderbergers soldiers .
regards.
Starseed
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#439 | Posted: 13 May 2010 16:42
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Yes that Hawing prog turned out to be a total waste of time!

All it was doing was repeating everything that Brian Cox said on his show - almost word for word. We were bored shitless watching it. Probably try it this week but will prob turn over if it`s like last week.

Got to be honest here - I`m looking forward to the second part of the Starship more than anything else. It`s quite the 'science' prog with this Duffield chap, and I think next week will be better than this week... 'In essense' that is - ;-)
Starseed
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#440 | Posted: 13 May 2010 16:46
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telecaster:
It`s hard to be positive in a democracy like ours Starseed !

The 'ILLUSION' of democracy...

Did anyone see this by the way - Unbelievably funny and brilliant! Really!

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Love Police ruins Conservative Party Press Statement CLASSIC!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sbTm-XShZ8

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The Love Police vs. The Propaganda Pushers (British Election Special)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cko7BImRAfQ

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Get this guy on as a guest on the Starship Rich!
Starseed
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#441 | Posted: 14 May 2010 08:55
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Henry W. McElroy, Jr, retiring State Representative to New Hampshire, declared this week that former U.S. President Eisenhower was briefed about the presence of extraterrestrial intelligent beings on Earth. McElroy also said that the document he viewed while at the State Legislature made referrence to the opportunity for Eisenhower to meet the alien visitors.

Speech made on May 8, 2010, at Fort Monroe, Virginia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOn2ChUxIE

well...?
RICHPLANET.NET
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#442 | Posted: 14 May 2010 09:30
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Thanks Starseed, I will use this as an "Interesting Person of The Week"

It is excellent, I hope it is genuine, it would appear so at first view. Pity there were not more details, eg, date, names etc.
Starseed
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#443 | Posted: 14 May 2010 20:17
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RICHPLANET.NET:
Thanks Starseed, I will use this as an "Interesting Person of The Week"

Nice one!
monkeyboy
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#444 | Posted: 26 Jun 2010 20:16 | Edited by: monkeyboy
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http://www.openminds.tv/bobby-kennedy-and-ufos/

Bobby Kennedy and UFOs
Antonio Huneeus | Jun 24, 2010 | 0 comments

Robert_KennedyIn a recently rediscovered videotaped interview with Col. Philip J. Corso done by Maurizio Baiata in Rome in July 1997, the colonel reveals that he had personally briefed Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy in the early sixties about the results of his top secret work of bringing pieces of the Roswell UFO crash to selected companies in the military industrial complex for developing and adapting the alien technology. You can watch the video clip here. As President Kennedy's younger brother, Bobby Kennedy was not only the Attorney General but also JFK's most trusted advisor. A year after JFK's assassination, he was elected Senator for the state of New York in November 1964, where he soon became a prominent political figure because of his charisma and the Kennedy name. He probably would have become the next president of the United States had he not been murdered during the celebration of his victory of the California primary at The Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, just after midnight on June 5, 1968.

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We only have Corso's testimony for his briefing, so we made a thorough search of the public record to see if there were any clues about Bobby Kennedy and the UFO subject. Ironically, the best known document where he expresses a strong belief in UFOs—a letter to ufologist Gray Barker dated May 9, 1968—may be a forgery. We'll discuss our research into this letter later on, but let's look first at other letters written by Sen. Kennedy in the 1965-1966 period. Until recently, only the Barker letter and a couple of brief responses sent by Sen. Kennedy to Robert Barrow, were available. John Greenwald of www.blackvault.com, however, obtained a dossier of 127 pages from the Kennedy presidential library which gives a far more complete picture of the NY senator's involvement with UFOs. The letters cover a period between 1965 and 1968 and contain 39 letters signed by Kennedy himself, plus the original letters he received from a number of constituents and UFO researchers, U.S. Air Force statements, some newspaper clippings, etc.

The period of 1965 and 1966 was the most active in Bobby Kennedy's UFO correspondence. This coincided with a lobbying effort by the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP) to have Congressional hearings on UFOs. NICAP was then the nation's most influential UFO group led by the late Major (Ret.) Donald Keyhoe in the Washington, DC area. Out of the 27 individuals who wrote to Kennedy, most belonged to NICAP and some, like Robert Barrow, Raymond Konley and Ralph Rankow, wrote several letters to him. I was also surprised to see many names who were relatively well known in the UFO field—some of whom I knew personally—including the contactee Wayne Aho, the aviation journalist Don Berliner, the Rev. Frank Stranges, John Keel, author of The Mothman Prophecies and other important UFO and Fortean books, and the psychic Ted Owens, among others. When I saw the name of Terry Wilmot with an address in Roswell, NM, the name rang a bell. He was, in fact, the son of Dan Wilmot, who reported with his wife a UFO shaped "like two invert saucers faced mouth-to-mouth" on the night of July 2, 1947, shortly before the famous crash. His sighting was published in the Roswell Daily Record, although it's not mentioned in Terry's letter to Bobby Kennedy (Terry, too, was a member of NICAP).

Back in the 1960s, form letters had not been developed to the exact science than they are today, so Bobby Kennedy's letters vary a little from one to the other, but some general themes nevertheless emerge clearly. He is of course a polished politician, always polite to his constituents, thanking them "for your thoughtful letter," appreciating them for "your thoughtfulness in writing to me on this matter," and so on. He then tries to walk a thin line between appearing open minded enough while at the same time making it clear that, "from the evidence available to date, I do not believe that UFO phenomena are caused by vehicles of extraterrestrial origin." Here is a typical response, in this case to Terry Wilmot of Roswell, NM, dated April 11, 1965:

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Despite his mild skepticism, Kennedy hedges his bet by admitting that "scientists agree that not enough is known about UFO sightings, in some cases by reputable witnesses" and that, "I hope that science provides us with an answer to these unknown aspects of UFO sightings." There can be little doubt that when it came to the allegation that the Air Force was covering-up some UFO evidence, an issue raised often by the NICAP members like Ralph Rankow and others, Kennedy rejected it. Here is his response to one of Robert Barrow's letters, where he writes, "I do not believe that the Air Force is censoring any information of interest to the public of so-called 'Unidentified Flying Objects'."

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In some cases, Kennedy attached Pentagon form letters with the standard line of "the Air Force does not withhold or censor any information on UFO's." In many of the letters, he mentioned Dr. Harlow Shapley, who was a then well known Harvard astronomer and author. For instance, in a letter to Anne Epple of New York City, dated September 10, 1966, Kennedy wrote that, "Dr. Harlow Shapley, for one, has stated that there is a high probability that there is other life in the universe." But then Kennedy lowers the tone, adding that "to believe that there is other life in the universe is not, however, to believe that 'UFO's' are manned vehicles." He then adds a debunking line (which appears in several of the letters) that "one explanation of this phenomenon...connects the lights that are seen with the gaseous tails of comets." Not one of the most convincing arguments to identify UFOs as prosaic objects, we may add.

As time went by, Bobby Kennedy was able to deflect the issue by referring people to the University of Colorado's Scientific Study of UFOs led by physicist Dr. Edward U. Condon, which had been contracted by the USAF to conduct a supposedly independent and thorough study of the matter, later known as the Condon Report. That is basically the gist of the Bobby Kennedy UFO file. Generally speaking, many of the letters sent to the senator are more interesting than his responses. Author John Keel, for instance, wrote a long letter dated January 19, 1966. "I have been collecting information about UFOs since the appearance of the mysterious 'Foo fighters' in World War II," wrote Keel. "But I did not fully believe in their existence until 1954 when I actually saw a 'Flying Saucer' maneuvering over the Aswan Dam in Egypt. It was hovering at a low altitude and was obviously a solid metal object, circular with a dome on top. After a few minutes the outer rim started to revolve rapidly and it moved off at very high speed. Similar objects...or the same one...were later reported over other areas of the Middle East." As far as I can remember, Keel never wrote about this sighting in his books or articles, but there it is. He then goes on to criticize the Air Force's incompetence on this issue, but basically received the Bobby Kennedy "form letter" with Dr. Shipley, the "gaseous tails of comets" and the final "appreciate hearing from you on this matter."

You can download the entire Bobby Kennedy UFO file from the Black Vault here.

THE GRAY BARKER LETTER

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Gray Barker

For years, the alleged letter to Gray Barker, dated May 9, 1968, was the only well known Bobby Kennedy statement on UFOs. Barker was a well known UFO writer from Clarksburg, West Virginia, who was the first one to publicize the subject of Men In Black (MIBs) with his classic 1956 book, They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers. The Kennedy letter was reproduced, among other places, in the book The Age of Flying Saucers by Paris Flammonde.

For a long time I thought this was probably a genuine letter but now, having seen Bobby Kennedy's other letters, I have serious doubts, and so do many other researchers. For one, Barker was well known for having pulled several ufological hoaxes. One of the most infamous ones, which he concocted with veteran ufologist Jim Moseley (then publisher of Saucer News, now of the entertaining gossip newsletter Saucer Smear), was the so-called "Straith letter" sent to famous contactee George Adamski. It was purportedly written by a U.S. State Dept. official called R. E. Straith, who endorsed Adamski's claims of contact with benevolent Venusians. First of all, the Barker letter does not appear in Bobby's UFO file at the Kennedy presidential library, where it should be if it was authentic. The second serious problem is the letter's opening paragraph: "As you may know, I am a card carrying member of the Amalgamated Flying Saucers Association. Therefore, like many other people in our country I am interested in the phenomenon of flying saucers." The Amalgamated Flying Saucers Association was a group founded
monkeyboy
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#445 | Posted: 26 Jun 2010 20:20
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#446 | Posted: 26 Jun 2010 20:36 | Edited by: RICHPLANET.NET
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monkeyboy:
For a long time I thought this was probably a genuine letter but now, having seen Bobby Kennedy's other letters, I have serious doubts, and so do many other researchers.

Hmmm. I could be wrong, but I have had doubts about the open minds website. It is very clean cut and there has clearly been quite a bit of money spent to creat open minds website without any apparent income. I seem to remember being very suspicous of where the domain name is registered.

One of the contacts on the domain registration is from this companySecure Medical which could be just a dummy company.

I think Open Minds could be an attempt by TBTB to create a genuine looking UFO type site so they can become very popular and once they have the audience start poisening it with dis-info. It's very subtle and I am not sure I am right, but this is my gut feeling.
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#447 | Posted: 26 Jun 2010 20:42
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Having said that I think Coso is 100% legit. I just don't trust open minds.
monkeyboy
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#448 | Posted: 27 Jun 2010 15:14
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RICHPLANET.NET:
I just don't trust open minds

Richard! i`m submitting this as quote of the website. ;)

you could be right richard who knows but that was the only source for the docs i have found i done a check on the site it`s registered through GODADDY.COM, INC. which was the same hosting company used in the operation blackjack sites so you may be right, but as it fits in with what corso tells us im on the genuine side. but as you say could just be a honey trap to get ppl to start using it for info.
ImOverHere
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#449 | Posted: 27 Jun 2010 17:27
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Thanks starseed for intro to The Love Police.
Really impressed and grateful that people like these are out there doing it.
Starseed
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#450 | Posted: 27 Jun 2010 17:54
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ImOverHere:
hanks starseed for intro to The Love Police.
Really impressed and grateful that people like these are out there doing it.

Yer - It`s worth subscribing to the cveitch channel on youtube - I do cos it makes sure you can`t miss any new ones. The Love Police are (well it`s just charlie now) bloody great full stop.

Now , me old mate, if you loved them, there`s a good chance you will want to see this:

Deek Jackson Fists Gordon Brown for Peasants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceh9hdjWLK8

Landless Peasant Megaphone fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oogQgUwv8Y

The Love Police are in this one:

FKN LOVE NEWZ POLICE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIoBXL6XOB4

Hope you like it!
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