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dark star
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#16 | Posted: 8 Jun 2009 15:37
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It seems likely that ET doesn,t really care weather the human race knows about him or not. They come and go when they please, not bothering to make any attempt at covertness, I saw an interview with a french air traffic controller who clocked an object moving at 47000 kph ! If they wanted us to know them then they would make it happen when the time is right. I can really only come to the conclusion that they must lack compassion for us on our sick and suffering planet, or perhaps far too busy to help. Once I saw an experiment on tv were a man lay in a busy street pretending to be unconscious,it took 20 minutes before someone stopped to see if he was ok..... perhps these aliens are more like us than we think.
monkeyboy
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#17 | Posted: 8 Jun 2009 16:46
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dark star:
I live in the middle of france so I,ll keep you up to speed on public reaction and start asking around,

thanks DS it all helps :)
telecaster
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#18 | Posted: 11 Jun 2009 13:57
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Dark Star......any news from France yet ?
T.
dark star
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#19 | Posted: 11 Jun 2009 15:15
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Nothing yet, most people that i know dont give it much thought, its only when it is brought to the fore that it becomes an issue. I.ll monitor things though. The thing i have heard is that the air france plane may have been blown up !
DS
monkeyboy
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#20 | Posted: 11 Jun 2009 21:07
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http://www.qt.com.au/story/2009/06/11/ufo-encounters-keep-believers-investigating/

UFO encounters keep the belief

Jospehine Gillespie | 11th June 2009

LIFE-CHANGING: Rita Haden tries to describe the UFO she saw outside her Leichardt home in 1992.
Queensland Times/Sarah Keayes

Do you believe in UFOs?

WHILE it might have been more than 17 years ago, Rita Haden's close encounter with an unidentified flying object is still burnt clearly into her mind.

Ms Haden has been a member of the Ipswich UFO Group since 1992 after a mysterious sighting on her way home from work.

The Leichhardt resident said she had just come past the One Mile Hotel about 1.50am when she saw a bright light hovering above her.

The strange craft proceeded to follow her along the Old Toowoomba Road "dazzling her" with its light all the way home.

"I bounced out of the car and ran to the door. There was like a humming orange light facing the door," Ms Haden said.

"The little dog next door just wailed and howled. The light was so bright.

"From five past two to 3am, it was hovered outside."

Ms Haden said the unidentified object was a "big craft", about 30-foot-long with no wings or a tail.

"I was in the Air Force, so I know planes pretty well," she said.

"I couldn't see any windows. Unlike normal planes it didn't have a dull surface - it was very shiny.

"It made no noise whatsoever. All I saw was a big shape coming down."

She said the strange craft had left little trace of its visit, but had opened her eyes to the phenomena.

Fellow believer David Keyworth has been a member of the Ipswich group for three years and said he was a keenly interested in exploring the concept of life in space.

"I come from a science background and have always had an interest in UFOs and extraterrestrials," Mr Keyworth said.

The Woodend resident said unfortunately he had not had a close encounter of his own, but remained hopeful.

"I believe in UFOs, but not what everybody sees is a UFO," Mr Keyworth said.

"Ninety per cent of sightings can probably be attributed to planes and stars."

He said unfortunately activity had been quiet around Ipswich lately.

"I might get a phone call a month from someone who thinks they have seen something," Mr Keyworth said.

The next UFO meeting will be on Friday at the Ipswich Trades Hall in Bell Street, with German World War II UFO secrets set to be investigated.

http://www.qt.com.au/media/img/news/2009/06/11/rita_haden_ufo_465x288_110609_t312.jpg
dark star
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#21 | Posted: 11 Jun 2009 21:30
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monkeyboy:
"From five past two to 3am, it was hovered outside.

Surelyif you had a ufo hovering outside your front door for 55 minutes shinning a bright light at you you would at least dial 999, 55 mins is a bloody long time to have a 30ft long ufo at the front door !
DS
monkeyboy
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#22 | Posted: 11 Jun 2009 22:10
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dark star:
Surelyif you had a ufo hovering outside your front door for 55 minutes shinning a bright light at you you would at least dial 999, 55 mins is a bloody long time to have a 30ft long ufo at the front door !
DS

"I was in the Air Force, so I know planes pretty well,"
maybe with her being in the air force she was well aware of the policy?
and what would plod do anyway apart from dribble and stare and make grunting noises ....:)
monkeyboy
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#23 | Posted: 12 Jun 2009 00:12
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http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denver-UFO-Examiner~y2009m6d11-Dr-Steven-Greer-of-UFO- Disclosure-Project-speaks-June-18-in-Denver

Dr. Steven Greer of UFO Disclosure Project speaks June 18 in Denver
June 11, 3:44 PM 1 comment

UFO Steven Greer Disclosure Project Jeff Peckman ExtraterrestrialSteven M. Greer MD, founder and director of The Disclosure Project will be speaking June 18, 7:00 pm in the Tivoli Student Center at Auraria Campus in Denver, Colorado. His presentation "Contact & Disclosure: Countdown to Transformation", will address environmental upheavals, deteriorating world economies, government instability, and the mysterious year 2012. Greer will also explain why ET contact and disclosure are important to ease humanity through this transformation.

His riveting talk at the campus in July 2008 was a clear sign that government secrecy about UFOs and extraterrestrial visitors to Earth was coming to an end. At his keynote address, Dr. Greer will review past briefings with world leaders and outline current Disclosure Project initiatives to brief those in Washington DC and other world capitals on the UFO subject. His July 18 presentation is also in support of the Denver ballot initiative to create an Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission. Signatures for the ballot initiative petition will be invited at the event.

Dr. Greer launched the worldwide Disclosure movement to end UFO secrecy. He is currently advising members of Congress, foreign heads of state, and figures very close to the Obama Administration on how to best control currently illegal classified projects related to UFOs. These projects, which are embedded within a number of military, intelligence, and corporate operations, have been managed without the oversight of Congress or the President of the United States since at least the late 1950s.

Greer coined the term 'Disclosure' with the historic Disclosure Project Press Conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on May 9, 2001. At the press conference, over 20 military, government, intelligence, and corporate witnesses presented compelling testimony regarding the existence of extra-terrestrial life forms visiting the planet. They also offered testimony on the reverse engineering of energy and propulsion systems of these craft. Over 1 billion people heard of the press conference through webcasts and subsequent media coverage on BBC, CNN, CNN worldwide, Voice of America, Pravda, Chinese media, and media outlets throughout Latin America. The Press Conference webcast had 250,000 people waiting online to connect -- the largest webcast in the history of the National Press Club.

Dr. Greer has provided briefings for the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Director of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many members of Congress, among others. For the most part, these senior leaders have been systematically denied access to projects connected to the UFO subject.

Dr. Greer stated,

These projects have been managed illegally for over 50 years and as such constitute a grave threat to our US national security. The central reason for the secrecy is directly connected to the corrupting influence of special interests in the oil, energy, and financial sectors, since the Disclosure of the sciences related to UFO energy and propulsion systems would quickly end our addiction to oil and coal. This secrecy, aside from being illegal, has denied humanity wondrous new sources of energy generation that would rapidly solve the environmental and energy crises. In this sense, the reason for the secrecy is simple: old-fashioned greed and lust for power..."

Recently, Dr. Greer has been working with senior members of a G7 country to initiate open contact with the extraterrestrial civilizations that are responsible for some of the UFO sightings around the world. This historic breakthrough will be reviewed at the lecture. A workshop on the CSETI contact protocols will be held on Saturday, June 20, 2009. Advance Registration is required for the workshop but not the lecture.

Jeff Peckman, chief proponent of the Extraterrestrial Affairs Commission ballot initiative, will introduce Dr. Greer at the June 18 lecture. The public is invited to both events.

Lecture:
Tivoli Student Union - Turnhalle Room
Thursday, June 18, 2009
7:00 pm to 10:00 pm
Admission: $10 at the door
900 Auraria Parkway
Denver, CO 80204
dark star
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#24 | Posted: 12 Jun 2009 08:04
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monkeyb[quote=monkeyboy:

"I was in the Air Force, so I know planes pretty well,"

I was in the Parachute regiment, and if I had a 30ft UFO shinning a bright light through my front door for even 1 minute I would be just a little concerned and instinctively seek assistance no matter from where. Iam a ufo believer, always have been, but I also think that I should use some logic when considering the various claims.
DS
monkeyboy
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#25 | Posted: 12 Jun 2009 15:20
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Thats your truth DS but as we know there is nowt querer than folk untill you are in that sort of situation it is easy to say with hind sight i would have but the truth is you don`t know exactly what you would do? how many situations have you been in where you said after it, why didn`t i?
i don`t think there is a one situation one response, as with fight or flight two common reactions but not the only options available?
monkeyboy
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#26 | Posted: 12 Jun 2009 21:36
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http://www.sott.net/articles/show/186499-Military-Hush-Up-Incoming-Space-Rocks-Now-Cl assified

Military Hush-Up: Incoming Space Rocks Now Classified
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Meteor

Leonard David
SPACE.com
Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:36 UTC
Unknown
What fireball? Nothing to see here folks, just move along please
For 15 years, scientists have benefited from data gleaned by U.S. classified satellites of natural fireball events in Earth's atmosphere - but no longer.

A recent U.S. military policy decision now explicitly states that observations by hush-hush government spacecraft of incoming bolides and fireballs are classified secret and are not to be released, SPACE.com had learned.

The satellites' main objectives include detecting nuclear bomb tests, and their characterizations of asteroids and lesser meteoroids as they crash through the atmosphere has been a byproduct data bonanza for scientists.

The upshot: Space rocks that explode in the atmosphere are now classified.

"It's baffling to us why this would suddenly change," said one scientist familiar with the work. "It's unfortunate because there was this great synergy...a very good cooperative arrangement. Systems were put into dual-use mode where a lot of science was getting done that couldn't be done any other way. It's a regrettable change in policy."

Scientists say not only will research into the threat from space be hampered, but public understanding of sometimes dramatic sky explosions will be diminished, perhaps leading to hype and fear of the unknown.

Incoming!

Most "shooting stars" are caused by natural space debris no larger than peas. But routinely, rocks as big as basketballs and even small cars crash into the atmosphere. Most vaporize or explode on the way in, but some reach the surface or explode above the surface. Understandably, scientists want to know about these events so they can better predict the risk here on Earth.

Yet because the world is two-thirds ocean, most incoming objects aren't visible to observers on the ground. Many other incoming space rocks go unnoticed because daylight drowns them out.

Over the last decade or so, hundreds of these events have been spotted by the classified satellites. Priceless observational information derived from the spacecraft were made quickly available, giving researchers such insights as time, a location, height above the surface, as well as light-curves to help pin down the amount of energy churned out from the fireballs.

And in the shaky world we now live, it's nice to know that a sky-high detonation is natural versus a nuclear weapon blast.

Where the space-based surveillance truly shines is over remote stretches of ocean - far away from the prospect of ground-based data collection.

But all that ended within the last few months, leaving scientists blind-sided and miffed by the shift in policy. The hope is that the policy decision will be revisited and overturned.

Critical importance

"The fireball data from military or surveillance assets have been of critical importance for assessing the impact hazard," said David Morrison, a Near Earth Object (NEO) scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center. He noted that his views are his own, not as a NASA spokesperson.

The size of the average largest atmospheric impact from small asteroids is a key piece of experimental data to anchor the low-energy end of the power-law distribution of impactors, from asteroids greater than 6 miles (10 kilometers) in diameter down to the meter scale, Morrison told SPACE.com.

"These fireball data together with astronomical observations of larger near-Earth asteroids define the nature of the impact hazard and allow rational planning to deal with this issue," Morrison said.

Morrison said that fireball data are today playing additional important roles.

As example, the fireball data together with infrasound allowed scientists to verify the approximate size and energy of the unique Carancas impact in the Altiplano -- on the Peru-Bolivia border -- on Sept. 15, 2007.

Fireball information also played an important part in the story of the small asteroid 2008 TC3, Morrison said. That was the first-ever case of the astronomical detection of a small asteroid before it hit last year. The fireball data were key for locating the impact point and the subsequent recovery of fragments from this impact.

Link in public understanding

Astronomers are closing in on a years-long effort to find most of the potentially devastating large asteroids in our neck of the cosmic woods, those that could cause widespread regional or global devastation. Now they plan to look for the smaller stuff.

So it is ironic that the availability of these fireball data should be curtailed just at the time the NEO program is moving toward surveying the small impactors that are most likely to be picked up in the fireball monitoring program, Morrision said.

"These data have been available to the scientific community for the past decade," he said. "It is unfortunate this information is shut off just when it is becoming more valuable to the community interested in characterizing near Earth asteroids and protecting our planet from asteroid impacts."

The newly issued policy edict by the U.S. military of reporting fireball observations from satellites also caught the attention of Clark Chapman, a planetary scientist and asteroid impact expert at Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado.

"I think that this information is very important to make public," Chapman told SPACE.com.

"More important than the scientific value, I think, is that these rare, bright fireballs provide a link in public understanding to the asteroid impact hazard posed by still larger and less frequent asteroids," Chapman explained.

Those objects are witnessed by unsuspecting people in far-flung places, Chapman said, often generating incorrect and exaggerated reports.

"The grounding achieved by associating these reports by untrained observers with the satellite measurements is very useful for calibrating the observer reports and closing the loop with folks who think they have seen something mysterious and extraordinary," Chapman said.
dark star
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#27 | Posted: 12 Jun 2009 22:03 | Edited by: dark star
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There was an explosion last year [ I think } in the upper atmosphere over the eastern mediteranian more powerful than Hiroshima according to a report i heard. Next tuesday on sky 138 theres a documentary on an unexplained and huge explosion over Russia.
DS
monkeyboy
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#28 | Posted: 12 Jun 2009 22:19
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dark star:
There was an explosion last year [ I think } in the upper atmosphere over the eastern mediteranian more powerful than Hiroshima according to a report i heard. Next tuesday on sky 138 theres a documentary on an unexplained and huge explosion over Russia.
DS

exactly so how dangerous is this for all of us. especially if the other nwo country`s follow.
CTRILEY
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#29 | Posted: 12 Jun 2009 23:49 | Edited by: CTRILEY
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dark star:
There was an explosion last year [ I think } in the upper atmosphere over the eastern mediteranian more powerful than Hiroshima according to a report i heard. Next tuesday on sky 138 theres a documentary on an unexplained and huge explosion over Russia.
DS

Years ago I watched a documentry about metoerite impacts on the Earth. Anyhow I think it was NASA who obtained film photage taken by US satilites used to look for nuclear launches. It revealed that meteorites explode in the upper atmosphere (due to angle of entry) all the time the stuff which gets through become shhoting stars, whilst impacts equal to and over the size of the Hiroshima happen on an average of once a fortnight.

In 1908 one such metorite struck Tunguska, Russia, with a force 1,000 times times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb. Different studies give varying estimates of the object's size, with a general agreement that it was tens of metres across. It destroyed an area of approximately 830 square miles. So make sure you're well stocked up on toilet rolls, just in case one heads your way.
monkeyboy
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#30 | Posted: 13 Jun 2009 22:57
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http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/2009/06/is-there-a-mars-conspiracy.html

Is there a Life On Mars Conspiracy?

Michael Brooks, consultant for New Scientist and the author of 13 Things That Don't Make Sense, sends us a new perspective on the riddle of the empty planet next door

MARS

Some pesky scientists have just pointed out an appalling design error in NASA's latest attempts to find life on Mars. This is beginning to look like a conspiracy. Does someone not want us to find life on Mars?

NASA has tried looking for signs of life on Mars precisely once, in the 1976 Viking mission. The result was positive. The reason nobody says there is life on Mars is that another experiment, part of the same mission, couldn't find any carbon-based "organic" chemicals in Martian soil. This, NASA decided, overruled the other result: with no carbon present, there could be no microbes living on or under the surface of Mars.

Last year, the Phoenix lander repeated the carbon search and failed to find organic molecules. The problem is, we know that there ought to be organic molecules on Mars. Asteroid and comet impacts will have put them there. So what's going on?

Both of the searches for organic molecules, it turns out, have been deeply flawed. In 2000, the chief engineer on the 1976 experiment finally admitted that his experiment was simply not sensitive enough to overrule anything. Put bluntly, it didn't work properly and it never had, even during testing on Earth.

Now a handful of brave NASA scientists have exposed a problem with the latest attempt to pronounce that Mars was dead.

The best argument for why no one has even found carbon brought in on asteroids and comets is that chemicals called perchlorates, also thought to be in the Martian soil, have destroyed it all. When perchlorates get hot, they burn up carbon-based molecules. That's why NASA uses them in rocket fuel.

The problem is, as NASA's Douglas Ming (the Merciless) has pointed out in a recent paper, the experiments to search for carbon involve heating soil samples to a few hundred degrees and sniffing the vapours. If the soil contains carbon molecules and perchlorates, the carbon molecules will simply burn up. No wonder they couldn't find any.

Gilbert Levin, who ran the 1976 experiment to search for life, the one that got a positive result, thinks it's all down to a religious conspiracy dating back to the early 1960s. When I was researching my book 13 Things That Don't Make Sense, I travelled to Levin's Maryland offices and listened to his account of the run-up to Viking. In 1961, he told me, the Executive Director of the American Institute of Biological Sciences, invited him to attend a meeting in Washington. When Levin arrived, he found himself among fifteen of the top scientific minds in the US. None of them knew what the meeting was about until John Olive told them he had been charged by NASA with directing an effort to look for life on other planets.

"Phil Abelson, editor of Science magazine, was sitting next to Dean Cowie, a nuclear physicist," Levin told me. "He grabbed Dean by the arm and audibly said, "Dean, let's get out of here. The Bible says there can be no life on Mars."

I was skeptical at first. No one likes a conspiracy theory more than I, but John Olive died in 1974, Dean Cowie died in 1977, and Philip Abelson died in 2004. There is no independent written source on this secret Washington meeting. And it's not like the search for life didn't go ahead.


But I have to admit there is a troubling history here. Rocket scientists joke about the "curse of Mars" because the success rate of spacecraft bound for Mars is lower than 50 per cent. The most famous failure is perhaps the 1998 Mars Climate Orbiter mission, which crashed onto the surface because one team of engineers used imperial units in their design, while the other team used metric.

So, the question remains: have attempts to explore Mars been secretly scuppered by religious scientists keen to keep planet Earth "special"? Have they been hiding their sabotage under a veil of incompetence? Or is it that scientists really can be astonishingly incompetent without any outside help? Only Dan Brown's next novel can tell us.
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