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telecaster
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#106 | Posted: 12 Mar 2009 21:47
I`m confused (.com) !
All along I`ve thought that the Greys were the bad guys.
The latest two researchers/contactees I have found that have contact
with them say that they`re one of the alien races that watch over us
and protect us !
Who do you believe ?
Jim Sparks said that he thought they were initially evil but now has
changed his perspective.
It would be good to know who the good guys really are.
Richard, in one of your programmes you take on this question with
some of the races, how did you base your conclusions about each
of them meeting Mother ? Is it if they would eat you or not ? lol
T. Tering
Dave Hall
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#107 | Posted: 12 Mar 2009 23:00
Dear T. Tyme,
Where did you git the info on the grey's.?
Is it on U TUBE?
Dave
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#108 | Posted: 12 Mar 2009 23:48 | Edited by: RICHPLANET.NET
This is a difficult one. I think that some of the language that us humans use does not help in understanding the alien mind, eg, "evil" or "good" - we have a feel for what these words mean, but they over simplify the issue. I believe that all aliens must have an instinct of self preservation, which sometimes could be construed as being evil. As we learned from Nick Pope very recently, the MOD had a policy to shoot at UFOs from the 1950's. Also the Americans are beleived to have been shooting down UFOs since the 40's, and continued doing this into the 50's and 60's, therefore aliens could easily consider us "EVIL". On the other hand many of our aircraft have simply been "absorbed" by UFOs never to be seen again. Many airmen have died when they have got too close to UFOs.

We could also consider the 1954 Greada treaty which was drawn up after Eisenhower met with tall Greys. The tall Greys did not stick to the agreement. They agreed they would not harm any humans and they would provide lists of names of people they abducted. However, they continued to abduct and kill humans without informing the government. This could lead one to believe they cannot be trusted. But look at our own agreements on Earth with Earth nations. eg. "The Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty". The UK has certainly broken that agreement by renewing the trident programme. Or the US invasion of Iraq, totally illegal.

According to Tim Good who I interviewed recently the Greys programme of abduction is to do with making the human race more aque-escant, so that we can be manipulated more easily. This can then make it easier for them to take over the planet.

Another aspect to consider is the fact that the grey alien is alleged to be happy to consume parts of human beings for its diet.

I believe with regards to the Grey alien, it appears that whenever there is contact, there is uncertainty and suspician on both sides which can lead to violence. As I explain in my book, nothing could prepare you for the feeling of fear and uncertainty you would feel if you were confronted by an alien. Knowing that they could read your thoughts, were more intelligent and probably kill you in a second, how would you react?

I believe that perhaps if there was some kind of mutual benefit to a "relationship" with aliens, then perhaps trust might be established. If there were no mutual beneifit then each race might look on the other as vermin. Whether some greys are fundamentally "benevolent" I do not know.

A further thing to take into account is this. Imagine if their intelligence is higher than ours and the difference is the same as humans to monkeys. Can you imagine sharing a world where monkeys have equal rights to humans. If this was the case can you imagine an alien treating an human as an equal? We do not treat monkeys as equals so why would they treat us as an equal?

Sorry, a further thing to consider is aliens obvious interest in our nuclear weapons. That is in making sure we do not use them on each other. They have disabled them on many occasions. Thay may have even prevented a 3rd world war in the past. So, possibly they could have saved more human lives than any human bieng ever.

In conclusion it is a "grey" area, pardon the pun.

Richard
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#109 | Posted: 13 Mar 2009 18:41
Thanks for that Richard, that explains it. And don`t pardon the
puns, we love`em !
Dave, have you YouTube`d "Project Camelot" at all ?
I`m working my way through them all getting as much
info as possible.
Jim Sparks and Miriam Delicado were the last two I did.
Has anyone heard any more of the Dulce Conference ?
If you`re really deadly serious or a complete nutter, you can
always log on to the "AboveTopSecret" website forum !
I always log on for a laugh to see what those Yankees are
talking about and it`s hilarious but sad all at once. Don`t you
just feel sorry for them and their country ?
Can`t wait for the new RichPlanet series, it`s gonna be good.
T. Pee
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#110 | Posted: 13 Mar 2009 20:51 | Edited by: RICHPLANET.NET
telecaster:
Dave, have you YouTube`d "Project Camelot" at all ?
I`m working my way through them all getting as much
info as possible.

With regards to Project Camelot. Watch the John Lear one, it's about 4 hours long. It is hard to decide what to believe when you watch it, but it's fascinating stuff. He mentions one chap who worked for NASA as a test engineer on the Space Shuttle. He claims that this guy witnessed an alien in NASAs possesion whilst working on the Shutle. Can't remember his name but it was very interesting. He reckons this guy is well pissed of and is going to reveal everything he knows. He talks of another astronaut who died in space along with other crew members, and beleives he was killed deliberately by NASA because he was too outspoken. He also reckons there is a cure for AIDS which comes from the mould on a certain type of cucumber which only grows in China!
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#111 | Posted: 13 Mar 2009 21:06
Oh yes, and somebody mentioned Above Top Secret. It's very good for researching stuff, and the members seem well informed. What annoys me however, is they are all so sure of everything, they are very quick to debunk anything that seems too good to be true. It is probably regarded as "the" top Ufology forum on the Net. John Lear fell out with them at one point.
Dave Hall
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#112 | Posted: 13 Mar 2009 23:21
telecaster:
Dave, have you YouTube`d "Project Camelot" at all ?

Hi T. I had a look today, interesting!!
Away for a few days ,
but catch up soon Dave
telecaster
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#113 | Posted: 15 Mar 2009 22:21
I watched the John Lear 4 hour one a few weeks ago and what
he is saying are very interesting. He`s definately got good contacts
and knows what he knows is true.
The only problem I have with Lear/Hoagland/Collier is their photos.
The ones they show don`t convince me, all I see are blurs that they
say are roads or towers. BUT I know what they are saying is basically
true, their other evidence is better e.g. the collosal amount of shipping
that is going to Antarctica ! That`s evidence. Hoagland`s prisms are
another good example.
It`s a shame that pics of the moon are doctored and some satellite pics
of Earth are tampered with before they reach us. Even on so called live
feeds.
If I can get a .mil clearance, I`ll point Hubble toward the moon and get
some nice clear shots !
T. Something
baywood
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#114 | Posted: 13 Apr 2009 10:38
I SAW one up close and personal as a boy of 14 in 1961 in a cornfield near Wichita Kansas.....it was about 30 ft in diameter and so bright my friend and I had to shield our eyes. It set back down; and being USAF brats we ran the mile or so back to the USAF housing. We called the Air Police; and all they said was they had no reports of anything on radar; however the NEXT day you could NOT go down the gravel road we saw this UFO on;it was blocked off; they are REAL folks!
Dave Hall
Member
#115 | Posted: 13 Apr 2009 20:15
Welcome aboard Baywood, Enjoy the site, and look forward to your comments
Dave
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#116 | Posted: 13 Apr 2009 20:49
I have created a new page on the richplanet site for letters.

>> Letters Page

If anyone has any letters they have sent or received that are relevant to the Politics of UFOs I would be happy to display them. Or does anyone have any suggestions of further people that can be lobbied?
gemgem
Member
#117 | Posted: 14 Apr 2009 20:12
Does anyone have coordinates of possible UFOs for Google Earth? I've seen some pretty interesting ones, I would love to see more. Great web site Richard, I love the shows, I watch on Edge Media.
Dave Hall
Member
#118 | Posted: 14 Apr 2009 20:29 | Edited by: Dave Hall
Hi gemgem, and welcome.
Heres a link that might help with you question
Dave
URL CLICK ON URL
telecaster
Member
#119 | Posted: 25 Apr 2009 22:05
I`m not so sure about these discs/anomalies on Google Earth and the like.
The more I see them, the more artificial they look and it`s relatively easy
to conjure them up on your pc artshop.
The internet is the best place to go for a ufologist.
It`s also the worst !
The lies are apparent at all levels.
T. for Truth
Dave Hall
Member
#120 | Posted: 26 Apr 2009 19:30 | Edited by: Dave Hall
telecaster:
I`m not so sure about these discs/anomalies on Google Earth and the like

Perhaps they forgot to airbrush them out !!!
D. for Don't know really
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